Over at TCM's Movie Morlocks, I take part in a semi-regular roundtable called The Horror Dads, in which a few of us (including fellow bloggers Dennis Cozzalio, Jeff Allard and roundtable ringleader Richard Harland Smith) discuss watching horror with our kids. Although the youngest is my stepdaughter, rather than biological (I never actually use the term "stepdaughter"), I've been with her since she was a toddler so I've had the full experience of watching her grow. Somewhere along the way, Friday night became movie night for the three of us (me, my wife and daughter) and shortly after that started (somewhere around six years ago) the weekly pick became horror, or at least 90 percent of the time. There is an occasional comedy thrown it but even then, it's usually comedy horror.As I've discussed at the roundtable, we usually keep ourselves to pre-1970 horror so that nothing gets too disturbing for the youngest. We've watched all the Universal classics, most of them multiple times, and all the Corman and Hammer classics. But we've also watched less celebrated thrillers like The Spiral Staircase or Hangover Square. We haven't watched Psycho with her yet but we have watched City of the Dead, twice, and although that also has a death by stabbing halfway through the movie, it's done as a cutaway so nothing is seen. It's not that she really understands something like Hangover Square but she appreciates the ambiance and feel of a horror movie or thriller or mystery. It's what she likes and there's no getting around it.
Most of that came not from me but from her mother, my lovely wife, Laura. Laura loves October, witches, black cats and graveyards. We spent a lot of time in an old graveyard in Massachusetts when we drove our oldest daughter up to college, reading tombstones and taking photos. There wasn't a person buried there with a birthdate later than the 1700's and most were born in the 1600's. That kind of thing holds a certain allure for us and it's something that Laura has implanted in the youngest since day one.
It's a love of the macabre but a gentle one. It's the atmosphere of it all that we love more than anything and, more often than not, movie night runs along the line of fantasy horror, such as vampires and mummies and sorcerers, rather than the mad killer variety. Still, I have occasionally tried, and failed, to bring a stronger variety of horror to the fore.
About two years ago I foolishly thought Theatre of Blood might be a hit on movie night. Laura told me that was a big mistake and I should pick something else. But, I countered, the youngest loves Vincent Price, loves him! I'd tell her to
cover her eyes when anything too bad happens. So yeah, anyway, I'm an idiot. Nobody needed to say, "I told you so," because I was telling myself two minutes into it when the homeless crazies descend upon the first victim and it was quite clear this was not entertaining the youngest, but rather, freaking her out. It was turned off and put away. Another movie was shown but now, I can't remember which.Of course, I saw Jaws at eight, in the theatre. I watched The Omen and The Exorcist at ten. And so, I thought, if I could handle it, she could. But, it occurs to me, there are three different types of horror fans (well, in a sweepingly general kind of a way, at least): The ones who like the gentler more ambient horror of yesteryear (1970 and before), the ones who like hardcore, disturbing horror from any time (Psycho, The Exorcist, The Shining) and the ones who like both. I fall into the "both" category, my wife into the "yesteryear" category and the youngest? I think I have to accept she falls into that category too, the kinder, gentler variety. Sure, there's time to grow into it but as she approaches middle school, I wonder. How many horror fans know early on, very early, that they like the hard stuff too? I did. It's usually not something that waits until puberty to manifest itself.
As she grows older I wonder if we'll continue to watch horror together. Will we graduate to stronger stuff or will she lose interest in the genre only to retain a nostalgic sense of warmth for its atmosphere, memories of Friday night with pizza and ice cream? I don't know. I do know there will still be plenty of mysteries and ghost stories to watch with her even if she never wants to watch the other stuff. But I'll also miss the enthusiasm that I fear will diminish as she grows older and has less time for Mom and Dad and more time for friends and parties. Oh well. It's been a hell of a good run and something I'll always hold on to, tightly.
As she grows up I realize more than ever how much a debt of gratitude I owe Boris Karloff, Vincent Price, James Whale, Peter Cushing, Hazel Court, Terence Fisher, Christopher Lee, Barbara Steele, Peter Lorre, Jimmy Sangster, Roger Corman, William Castle, Hammer Studios, Universal Studios and a hundred other artists who helped make the Friday nights of my daughter's youth some of the best nights we'll ever have together. Without them, it never could have happened.

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Greg, it's definitely a fascinating thing to watch the tastes of our young ones evolve. To start out, my oldest had no taste for horror at all. It was the younger one who loved Hellboy. But now the young one isn't much interested in horror at all, while Emma, having been introduced to the old school by the likes of Abbott and Costello, is now a veteran of the "older, gentler" classics and is getting more adventurous.
I took her to see Joe Dante's new 3D horror picture The Hole this weekend and she loved it. (Two years ago she made me shut Gremlins off when they all started multiplying in the swimming pool.) And now, having survived Dante's new one, she's expressing interest in pushing the envelope with the likes of Chucky, which I have for the moment forbidden. (Talk to me when you're 14, kid!)
So back she goes to find out more about horror's roots, and like a good Horror Dad I will be there for her! Next week, Bob Hope, Paulette Goddard and The Ghost Breakers, then Claude Rains in The Invisible Man, and then if I'm lucky she'll come see Frankenstein Must be Destroyed with me. Ah, the stewardship of the young...
Dennis, she loves The Invisible Man, as do Laura and I. She can watch modern fantasy stuff like Harry Potter or Ghostbusters (both of which she loves) but I don't think she yet has the stomach, or nerve, for the harder more realistic stuff. And that's fine because, frankly, I'm in no rush to pull her out of childhood. That's something her peers will do soon enough as they start cursing and listening to "adult" music (read: crap) and watching only what's "cool" (read: crap again).
I tried out The Lady in White last year but had forgotten the courthouse murder scene and the intensity of the ending. She was a little on the genuinely scared side but she made it through okay. I might have to try Gremlins sometime soon and see how she likes it.
It won't be long, Dennis, and they'll be going to the movies without us.
My kids haven't been bitten by the horror bug yet (although, as stated earlier, my 7 year old son really enjoyed Disneyworld's haunted mansion, which he found a lot more enjoyable than the Castle of Frankenstein at Niagara Falls). However, before we left on vacation, I watched Cloverfield with them on a cable channel with commercial interruptions (which was good b/c it broke the tension). I thought they would be scared by the film but instead were initially bored (the exposition at the beginning seems to go on forever) and then enjoyed the movie (of course, they kept making sure to ask me if the monster was fake). Interestingly, it led to a family discussion of 9/11 (both my wife and I were in NYC at the time of the attack and met each other for the first time 4 days later). It was interesting seeing how my kids processed these events and even their first giant monster movie (at their age, I was already a veteran of Godzilla, Frankenstein, Dracula and King Kong). I was glad because a few months before, we watched Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and my 5 year old daughter asked why the scene with Mike TV was so funny. When I replied that it was a parody of MTV, 2001 and Psycho, she started asking way too many questions about Psycho. It was then that I remembered that you have to be careful what you tell your kids sometimes. My kids may be troopers, but they are definitely NOT ready for Psycho.
Fred, you're right about not being ready for Psycho until a certain age because most people (and those doing the rating system) associate lots of blood and gore with "bad for kids" but I think something like Psycho is simply too adult in nature to be properly processed by a child. It deals with themes of loss, alienation, self-pity and failed redemption that would be lost on a kid. And explaining why he killed Marion Crane afterwards would simply be too confusing.
I have watched monster movies with her, though not Cloverfield, and we always have a good time. A rampaging monster is always good entertainment. Maybe I'll try Cloverfield in a couple of years. I'm sure she could handle most of it (though the baby monsters might scare her pretty bad) but, like you said, the exposition would probably be a little wearing on her (it was to me even. It was an important set-up but it could've been reduced by a third, I think).
But she's getting older so in the next couple of years I'm really going to start to see if the horror thing gets stronger or if she moves on. We'll see.
A large percentage of members in their late teens 20s and 30s I've noticed on various blogs and web sites on the classic films,horror and non,state that they developed their love of these films thru watching them with their parents.The young people today,are largely the ones keeping this stuff alive.Like art and classical music..and Rock and Roll..Classic cinema will always have its fans through the generations as it is re-discovered..Just like the Frankenstien monster in all those 40's sequels.."I can't destroy him..I've GOT to see him at his full power!"
Christopher, it's just one of the reasons I never feel any need to rush to see every new movie out there because there are so many older ones I still haven't seen. Rediscovering old books, music or movies is one of the great joys of life and I hope to instill it in my daughter.
Rediscovering old books, music or movies is one of the great joys of life
Amen. I get many invitations to horror film festivals and screenings and I never go because 90% of everything being made these days is dogshit, it's soul-deadening garbage being made by people who either want to belong to the scene and be recognized as a name or they want to exploit it and wring that teat for all it will give up. And either fork in that road is the way to dusty death - and I don't mean that in a good way.
I need to go back to black and white movies like one of those horror movie ghouls needs to refresh himself with pituitary gland. Ditto old literature - it's not old because it's archaic (and even if it is it isn't), it's old because years have gone by. And in the interim, not much has been done to better the example set half a century and nearly a century ago.
Long live the old flesh!
Long live the old flesh!
We'll call it kinetoscopadrome!
It's funny because, for years, I thought I knew music pretty well until recently I began discovering so many great recordings from the 20s and 30s and 40s I'd never known about before.
Limiting oneself to what's new out there is a self-inflicted wound that is simply unnecessary in this age of damn-near universal access to mass media. I know our youngest son is pretty good about listening to music from all periods and watching movies from different eras and I hope our youngest will do the same as she grows older.
But there are plenty of people (I've met them thanks to my kids' bringing over their friends) who listen to, watch or read only that which is absolutely and completely new. If it was done before they hit eight years old, it doesn't exist. Let me tell you, that's no way to live a life.
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