Thursday, January 7, 2010

I See You: The Road to Avatar

When one walks into a movie like Avatar, with all the advance hype and two camps, one of worshippers and one of haters, seemingly pitted against each other, one definitely wants to have a strong opinion of it. And as that nominal one I can tell you I certainly wanted to have a strong visceral reaction, one way or the other. I wanted to either hate it and let everyone know why and how wrong they were if they loved it or I wanted to love it and admit that the bashing is just so much senseless backlash. The last thing I wanted was to have the closing titles emerge to a feeling of overwhelming indifference and yet, here we are. While it's true I am rather stunned anyone could be very impressed with it I'm also a little stunned at anyone truly hating it. But all of this requires much more elaboration than that so let us begin.

Avatar is James Cameron's latest science fiction film after years away from the genre and his first sci-fi done in 3-D which, I must agree with Jim Emerson, looks simply like multi-planing and, for me at least, simply recesses into the background after the first fifteen or twenty minutes. I forgot it was even in 3-D enough of the time to make me question why anyone would or should go to the trouble of filming it in 3-D in the first place. I can honestly say that I believe a new viewer would be better off seeing the 2-D version and that James Cameron's movie would be better off without the needless P.T. Barnum hucksterism inherent in hyping a technical process as the main attraction to get asses in the seats, to quote Joel Silver.

As for the story it involves a security group of former Marines and assorted military types (think Blackwater), the corporation they work for, a far away moon named Pandora and that moon's indigenous people with whom the corporation has been trying, futilely, to negotiate in order to get mining rights to a precious ore. The indigenous people, the Na'vi, are also the subject of study by a group of scientists headed up by Dr. Grace Augustine (Sigourney Weaver) who want peaceful relations with them. She runs the Avatar program which allows human users like Augustine and paraplegic Marine veteran Jake Sully (Sam Worthington) to mentally enter the bodies of the lab-grown Na'vi, bodies that have been made expressly for this purpose. The user goes to sleep and enters into the avatar, not in a dreamlike state but literally having their thoughts and movements transplanted to the avatar. This is done, presumably, for better relations with the Na'vi except that, one, the Na'vi know they're just avatars (they call them "dreamwalkers") and, two, the users headed up by Augustine seem to have no concern for going all the way with fitting into the Na'vi culture because they make sure their avatars wear safari shorts, tee-shirts and baseball caps. It's a bit like doing a movie about a group of people wanting to make peaceful relations with a village under Sharia law and making sure the women cover their head with a veil only to have them also wear mini-skirts, fishnets and spike heels.

And the first observation, that the Na'vi know the humans are just walking around in fake Na'vi bodies, is not a minor nitpick but a central flaw of the logic in the film. The idea of two cultures meeting and exchanging ideas revolves around just that, exchange, not pretending to look and act like the other one. But more importantly if the humans simply go as they are, in their own bodies (and why not since the Na'vi aren't fooled by the avatars), then they never have to fall into a stupor anytime they wake up. Allow me to explain: Because the humans only inhabit the avatars when they are asleep, the avatars are likewise comatose whenever the human users are awake. And so at several points in the movie, always of course when an important point is about to be made or physical danger is imminent, Jake Sully is awakened and his avatar collapses into a limp pile of jello. Now, what science team wishing to improve relations with another culture would devise a plan in which at any given moment all diplomatic progress could be halted or reversed because your avatar collapses into an immovable silent stupor?

But avatar comas aside I also question the very reality of a scenario such as the one devised here taking place in 2154.* 150 years into the future the human race can travel across light years of space in hibernation, transport millions of tons of heavy machinery, aircraft and military ordinance, grow alien bodies whole and then have the extraordinary ability to mentally link up to them and remotely use them while asleep but - BUT - they cannot mine an ore beneath the surface of the Na'vi village without all-out genocidal destruction. What? As famously described by Daniel Plainview in There Will Be Blood by using a milkshake analogy, men have possessed the ability to tunnel under and drain from an area far away from the starting point as far back as at least the 1920's but we're supposed to believe that 150 years into the future the only way this unobtainable ore (and yes, it is named unobtanium) can be had is by destroying a massive village that lays on top of it. I kept thinking, "Surely with their stunningly advanced technology they could just mine it out from a few hundred miles away and replace it with granite or some other solid substance that would maintain the support of the structures above it." That's not something we could do now, easily at least, but in 150 years?

In the end of course, the ore is nothing but a MacGuffin so I suppose it's more important to understand and discuss the characters and indeed it is. Problem is, there's not much to the characters. James Cameron provides no interesting or insightful dialogue from which to understand the characters on anything but a surface level. And as many others have already noted, Cameron relies heavily upon cliche in his dialogue. From "you're not in Kansas anymore" to "let's do this, people!" to at least four instances by my count where someone pumped their fist and said "Yeah!" or "Woooo-Hoooo" or "Whoa!" much of what the Avatar viewer must sit through in terms of character expression are truly cringe-worthy. Also, when the Na'vi ask Sully his name and he says, "Jake Sully" you just know they're going to call him by his full name for the whole movie, and not to disappoint, they do. As for the rest of the Na'vi dialogue, it is almost entirely extracted from fortune cookies or some heretofore unknown book entitled Chicken Soup for the Na'vi Soul in which every phrase that drops from their feline pie-holes is encrusted with pearls of wisdom. I'm afraid I must confess that my eyes rolled dozens of times during the showing I attended. And their method of greeting friends and loved ones, "I see you", is a bit too cloying for this viewer. If Dances with Wolves, it's closest cinematic relative, turned the Lakota Sioux into cuddly Native American plush dolls then Avatar ups the ante and turns the Na'vi into angelic tree elves who kill wild wolf-like creatures to save themselves or others from being eaten alive and then mourn the death of the animal they just killed. You know, the animal that just tried to kill them. Goddamn do they respect life!

But all of this is moot because Cameron is a visual storyteller so that's where the attention should be focused. And this is the area in which I seem to disagree with most people, even the film's detractors. I've read several reviews, Jim Emerson and Larry Aydlette excluded because they didn't seem very impressed with the look either, that say even if the film's story isn't that great at least it looks great. Well, not to me unfortunately. The Na'vi, after two hours and forty minutes, never looked like anything more than CGI creations, and this bothered me. Why? Because it was and is wholly unnecessary to use CGI in the first place. With the exception of their faces, skin color, tails and height, the Na'vi look like humans which means the facial features, tails and skin color could have easily been taken care of with the age-old Hollywood craft of makeup which would have instantly Made. Them. Real. And if one wants to use CGI then fine, use it to increase the height next to humans but this is only even apparent in the very few scenes in which the two species share the same space onscreen. So what we're left with is the fact that, to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum's famous declaration from Jurassic Park, James Cameron was so thrilled with the idea that he could create CGI Na'vi that he never stopped and asked himself if he should create CGI Na'vi. Really, if you've seen it, or hell, even if you haven't and have only seen the stills, ask yourself, "Wouldn't it look so much better with real actors being filmed with makeup instead of using barely updated versions of Jar Jar Binks?"

Despite all of this, Avatar does have several things going for it as well. For one, Stephen Lang is quite good as the former Marine Colonel Miles Quaritch despite being given nothing but standard issue dialogue to spout. When it comes to acting I'm always a little sensitive having spent years acting myself, so when I read statements like "the acting is terrible across the boards" I know this is not true and it irks me. No one in the film gives anything near a great performance but given the dialogue I'd say almost everyone acquits him or herself quite admirably. Lang is the best but even Weaver and Worthington are fairly good. Zoe Saldana, although never actually seen behind the deluge of CGI artwork, probably gives the most fully realized performance in the film, if not the most charismatic (again, that goes to Lang).

The action sequences are also a high point of the movie with Cameron handling them deftly and confidently. He manages to do so without resorting to any of the hackneyed gimmicks employed by most action directors today in which it is thought, for some unknown and bizarre reason, that making the action on the screen blurred and visually indecipherable makes it more exciting. Hacks like Michael Bay could learn a thing or two from James Cameron about how to handle an action sequence that keeps the audience engaged by, horrors(!), allowing them to see the action. Several times during the final battle sequence the camera follows the central figure from point A to point B without furiously cutting away and only twice did I notice any form of ramping and even then, when Jake battles Quaritch, it was quite graceful compared to the ramping jolts of a Zach Snyder.

Finally, the politics did not match any of my worst-case scenario expectations. I walked in thinking I was going to be seeing a mindless Hollywood anti-American screed and realized soon enough that its politics most resembled Aliens updated. Cameron's military group is a group of guns for hire working for the main villain which very much resembles the "Company" of Aliens. It's easy to build up an enemy in faceless corporate greed even as we all patronize corporations daily and reap the benefits of their success with our indulgent lifestyles (and I don't imagine Cameron lives in a grass hut using only windpower himself). Nothing earth-shattering going on here, just Cameron putting white and black hats on the characters and pointing the finger, as have so many sci-fi writers before him, at humanity and its abuse of nature. Sure, the ore could stand in for, and in Cameron's mind I'm sure it does, the oil in Iraq but the political message of the film is so incompetently handled (once or twice the word "terrorist" is used in case you're not getting it) and put on a backburner to the whole "we humans just don't understand and respect nature" routine that it's final result is one of impotence.

And so I exit Avatar with neither disgust nor adoration but an existential shrug of the shoulders. I truly don't mean to come off as flippant when I say that I genuinely don't know where the worship came from, or the hatred (not the pre-judging kind, I mean the kind after seeing the movie). I walked away from Avatar thinking it was an at times enjoyable, at times sluggish, and at all times mediocre sci-fi adventure. True, I am a bit more bewildered at the praise from some critics than the condemnations if only because anyone who has taken in their fair share of the world's cinematic treasures, which I would fully expect, nay, demand of a film critic, and still thinks Avatar is very impressive makes me wonder just how much they understand about film. Avatar is average, standard stuff. I wish I could say more, or less, but I'm afraid it didn't impact me either way with any substantial weight. I'd recommend Avatar only to hard-core sci-fi fans for a decent two and a half hours but would suggest seeing the 2-D version or just watching it on the home theater setup in a few months. For everyone else I'd steer clear. There simply isn't much to offer in the film and no way to describe it honestly except as a mildly successful entertainment for viewers not expecting much in the first place.

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*Another mild nitpick is that Sigourney Weaver smokes. I mean, it's 2154. We all know how impossible it's becoming to be a smoker in 2010 so I found a character 150 years into the future puffing on smokes about as believable as a teen flick made today where all the high schoolers have snuffboxes.

49 comments:

bill r. said...

So you really loved it? It changed your game and everything?

I don't know, man. I've gotten to a point where I am truly willing to give this a shot, despite my very deep reservations, but as I have no professional obligation to do so, I'm finding it very difficult to make myself go. This review didn't exactly put a spring in my step, either. If I could just watch the action scenes, maybe I would.

Marilyn said...

This is really a terrific review, Greg. I haven't - and won't - see Avatar, primarily because my prejudgment (referring to your other fine blog post on that subject) was that it would be shoulder shrugger for me. This sounds like one made for the kiddies. Again, when will Hollywood remember that the vast majority of people in the world are over 13.

Greg said...

This review didn't exactly put a spring in my step, either.

Ha, yeah, this is a pretty tepid review. Truth is, if this film wasn't so big I wouldn't even have bothered to write a review at all. It's the kind of movie that you forget about once award season's over. I can't imagine after this year I'll think of it again.

The politics is amateurish and juvenile so it doesn't really offend because it doesn't have any intellectual weight behind it to piss you off, know what I mean?

It's lightweight all the way.

Greg said...

Marilyn, thanks! I'm pretty much in agreement. It's the kind of movie that really impresses someone with not a lot of experience with or knowledge of film (like my daughter who loved it). For everyone who does it's nothing more than a trifle.

bill r. said...

The politics is amateurish and juvenile so it doesn't really offend because it doesn't have any intellectual weight behind it to piss you off, know what I mean?...

Actually, no, not really, because juvenile political stances that are taken seriously, as some people are taking AVATAR's politics, tend to piss me off more than something that has actually intellectual weight. And as most political films are juvenile, most of them piss me off.

Greg said...

Bill - I do see what you mean and thought that after I posted it. I mean, Michael Moore puts no intellectual weight behind his arguments and, you're right, that pisses me off even more.

I guess with AVATAR I'm saying the politic arguments, for what they are, are so buried under the special effects and "we hate nature" crap that they are essentially harmless. The overriding message is how destructive of nature we are which goes back forever in the annals of sci-fi whether it be SILENT RUNNING or WALL-e.

Also, I almost (almost) feel bad about this but there are two "emotional" scenes involving the Na'vi trying to save someone and mourning another and to the dismay of my fellow audience members I laughed out loud. Oops. I mean, the scenes are just relentlessly cloying and finally I just couldn't take them seriously anymore.

Arbogast said...

Commercials for Avatar make me want to watch a black and white movie.

bill r. said...

A movie made by a guy who made another movie in which a robot asked a teenage boy "Why do you cry?" has emotional scenes that are cloying?? This, I cannot except. You must be mistaken.

Greg said...

Arbo, that's one of the best statements I've yet read on AVATAR. They should put that in the ads, and I don't care if it negates the purpose of positve publicity, they should still do it.

Greg said...

Bill, the Na'vi do this funny little gyrating dance while sitting and holding hands when they're trying to save Sigourney Weaver and it was just hilarious to me. I mean, fortunately, it was a matinee so they're weren't a lot of people because I found it REALLY funny. And I was supposed to find it moving!

If a robot had asked me "Why do you cry?" I would have responded, "Because I'm laughing so fucking hard!"

bill r. said...

Oh, so Sigourney Weaver dies. Great. Thanks, Greg! I guess I can skip this one!

Greg said...

I didn't say she dies, she's wounded and they're doing a ritual to transfer her soul and... ah hell, it's too stupid to even describe.

Arbogast said...

The Na'vi soul transference dance can be found online.

dms said...

Hi,
I thought this was a great review and while you've highlighted all the major flaws, I just want to throw in a few other things that I found ridiculous.
1. How was it that the one helicopter pilot could leave a firefight and not be imprisoned or at least kept under a watchful eye herself. She had a gunner on her helicopter who was ready to fight so I find it hard to believe they simply didn't notice. Rather than lock her up, she's allowed to bring dinner to the prisoners for the oldest trick in the book prison break from the super-high-tech jail.

2. Regarding the politics: Apparently it's OK to kill as many human soldiers as possible. No, "I see you" necessary. Those soldiers (guns for hire? I was confused by who was actually military) can't be people who are involved in something beyond them (like say soldiers in Vietnam). Nah, they should just be slaughtered because they are *evil* and the Na'avi are *good*.
Now, I know plenty of Nazis have been slaughtered in movies and it doesn't bother me too much but that's probably because the opposing forces are PEOPLE I can IDENTIFY with. The Na'avi (I hate that damn apostrophe) are cartoons, and not at all identifiable. Besides just looking like cartoons, a reason they are not identifiable is that they are so noble, so strong, so proud that they are boring and flat. The digital rendering may have dimension but the characters do not.

Also, Lang saying "It's not over while I'm still breathing!" made me laugh out loud. Maybe it was supposed to make you laugh, but no one else in my audience seemed to find that funny. And I HOPE the name "unobtainium" was a joke. It has to be right?

Thank you.

Greg said...

Arbo, the Na'vi dance isn't nearly that cool.

Greg said...

dms, there are many more plotholes than I went into here and you bring up two that I thought of myself. I figured the gunner pilot would be imprisoned like the others and yet there she was bringing them a meal to break them out which was another moment of eye-rolling for me.

And yes, the Na'vi are too good. As I said, the Na'vi are angelic tree elves and every soldier is just a faceless baby-killer with the end result being that I don't care enough about either because they're both far too broadly drawn. Cameron is not a writer of subtle skills. And I did truly hate their look. It was so cartoonish and unintentionally funny.

Kevin J. Olson said...

Greg:

I can totally understand your reaction to the film. I really I had no desire to see the movie, but a few friends wanted to go see it and I guess I figured I should go see a "spectacle" movie with some friends and try and enjoy myself.

To my surprise the 3-D kind of settled in for me after the first nose-pinching 15 minutes. I thought the 3-D was kind of neat for the most part...mostly because it wasn't so showy.

However (and that's a big however), I'm with ya on the screenplay. Cameron has never been the greatest writer (as Bill hilariously pointed out), but for me there's always been a kind of campy charm to his words (I noticed the fist pumps and the bullshit faux macho military lines, too), and for that I can never blame him too much.

If I had to assign the film a grade I guess I would give it a B+...the plus being for exceeding my expectations because I wasn't thrilled at all to go see it in the theater (I would have been just fine with a 2-D version at home), and once I settled in for the experience (even if it was overlong by about 40 minutes) I was pretty glad I tagged along with my friends.

Great review, Greg. I'm curious how this thing plays on DVD...especially with the rumor that a sex scene between the 12 foot tall smurfs will be inserted into the movie. CGI sex! It's every nerd's fantasy come true! Too bad it's not in 3-D, though.

Robert Ring said...

Hi Greg,

Well-written critique. I think pretty much every argument you made is valid. I don't think you give enough credit to the visuals, though. I understand you weren't impressed with the look of the Na'vi (though I thought they looked pretty damn good), but what about the rest of Pandora? No one has created an alien world this complete -- regardless of whether it's necessary for the story. That, coupled with the point you made that Cameron shows everything without hiding behind tricky (or confusing) editing, did a lot for me.

Story? Meh. But I guess I'm a sucker for visuals.

Greg said...

Kevin, I hadn't heard about the sex scene. Do they use their tails. Speaking of which I love the tails. A species that stands upright has a tail. Not a bipedal that leans forward like a t-rex or quadrupedal of small size but a large fully stabilized bipedal primate. The bio-designs in the film are just a random hodgepodge of animal traits with seemingly no thought put into how they function.

My grade would be around a C to a C+. Cut out a lot of the redundancies (Cameron not only says things bluntly, but repeatedly) and reduce the film by twenty to forty minutes and I might up it a letter.

Greg said...

Robert, I liked the visuals of Pandora in the daytime a lot. I thought it was very impressive and you're right, I probably should have made that clearer in the review. At night I didn't like it very much as it reminded me, as Jim Emerson first said, of the works of Thomas Kinkade which I despise. The night stuff with the lava lamp glows abounding felt a little too much like a stroll through a blacklit room in the seventies.

But the daytime stuff was pretty damned impressive, I agree. And to get back to some of my positive reactions in the film, the editing was very well done. I think newer directors doing action films need to study the works of Cameron and Spielberg much more than Snyder or Bay or Greenglass to see how formal compositions that don't rush the scene or blur the visuals are much more effective than in-your-face editing of today.

Kevin J. Olson said...

Greg:

Great point about the editing. There was something refreshingly "classic" about the way the action films were shot. It was nice to actually know what the hell was going on...the only problem was that Cameron was so impressed with himself and the world he created that all of the goodwill he accumulated is forgotten because he simply replays the same action scene over and over for 40 minutes.

Wait...I liked this movie, right?

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Greg said...

Kevin, redundancy is a Cameron strongpoint. Like in Titanic where he was so thrilled at how it took Kate and Leo so long to make it to the upper deck that he had Billy Zane chase them with a gun back down to the bottom of the ship so they could do it all over again. That still irritates the hell out of me.

That Little Round-Headed Boy said...

Jesus, we agree on something. I've got a bad feeling about this, to quote another overrated movie. The only thing I disagree with you on is that I thought Stephen Lang wasn't that good, especially measured against his more nuanced performance in Public Enemies. Otherwise, I felt the same indifference you did, and I just don't get all this game-changer talk. The only people who could possibly care are industry types. In fact, the movie reminds me of a very expensive test run for a new product. Look at it as the 2009 version of the Apollo program. Starring Cameron as Spam in a can.

Greg said...

The only thing I disagree with you on is that I thought Stephen Lang wasn't that good, especially measured against his more nuanced performance in Public Enemies.

I've got to see Public Enemies, I've heard so many good things about it. I've always liked Lang as an actor so maybe I'm a little biased in his favor.

I certainly don't get the game-changer stuff either and still like your description best, that it's the first 200 million dollar screensaver.

BLH said...

Also, it's 150 years in the future and Stephen Lang's character still has to say "Zoom in right there! Now enhance it!" in order to get clear evidence that it's Worthington's blue man in the security camera footage. Why wouldn't they just design a computer that enhances the footage automatically after zooming? It's the future!!

And Public Enemies is a hell of a movie.

Greg said...

Also, I found the idea of that scene kind of stupid anyway. Were I the Jake Sully character I would simply say, "Yeah, of course I did that! I was with one of them and I need to put on a good show if I'm going to maintain their trust." And so on and so forth. Just because he knocks out a camera didn't seem like the deal closer they make it out to be. Now, were I Cameron I would have had Jake kill a member of the security team. That would be a deal closer he couldn't talk his way out of.

And I've added Public Enemies to the top of the queue. It better be good!

bill r. said...

PUBLIC ENEMIES has scenes in it that are a hell of a good movie. It also has scenes in it that are, you know, okay, I guess.

It's pretty uneven, in other words, but worth seeing.

Greg said...

Please outline exactly which scenes are great and which scenes are only okay, frame by frame. You can send it to me if it's too long for the comment section.

Kevin J. Olson said...

Don't believe him, Greg! Public Enemies is wonderful the whole way through. Just watch it already!

Greg said...

As soon as Bill gets me the list of scenes broken down by levels of awesomeness I'll watch it.

Sam Juliano said...

AVATAR is certainly NOT made for the kiddies, (who could never appreciate the spirital epiphany and extraordinary aesthetic beauty of the film, but there are numerous other reasons why so many intellectual adults have been enraptured by this film)and the critical reaction to the film is NOT split down the middle. When roughly 5 out of every 6 critics state unequivocably that they LOVE the film (I will spare the names here, but suffice to say the great Manola Dargis, A. O. Scott of the New York Times, and Ebert all thought it a masterpiece)that is NOT a 50/50 split. It's more like 85/15, which translates to an extraordinary critical response.

The "two camps" rather are divided between those who feel the servicable but pedestrian dialogue mitigates teh film's spectacular visual splendor, and those (like myself) who feel that aspect of the film is largely symbolic, and thus really negligable as I stated here:


The narrative device is hardly original but it serves as a potent underpinning to the awesome spectacle that plays out here, culminating in a final hour of action-packed intensity that has the thrills of an endless roller coaster, filled with all the genre conventions, like hanging from the end of a cliff, falling in a canyon into a cascading river, or an all-out CGI battle, a la Return of the King. But Cameron and his technical staff have succeeded with some nifty digital deception that has raised the bar for such technology. Hence Avatar pulsates, almost breathing a life of its own in it’s conversion from movie to immersive experience. A dominant percentage of the film’s locations are quite apparently CGI too, inducing one to wonder if they should called this an “animated film with live-action” or a “live-action film with some animated aspects and sequences.” Such is this seamless immersion of what is real and what is not to create an illuminative world of arresting images, swirling, incandescent colors and an awe-inspiring beauty that elevates one’s consciousness to a
to a state of spirituality rarely aspired to, much less achieved in any film. There is an arresting naturalism that almost leaps off the screen which is populated by sumptuous images of day-glo vegetation and the exotic creatures controlled by the Na’Vi. The lengthy stretches of the movie that are sensory and wordless are as rapturous (very much in tone poem mode) as anything every seen on the screen, and this kind of visual cinema, where narrative is more of a hinderance than a benefit, is Avatar’s most extraordinary quality and it’s true selling point. It’s true that Cameron keeps insisting that the film needs to tie together plot strands, but this was unecessary, if not particularly harmful. In this sense, it’s to be noted here that some critics have taken issue with the pedestrian nature of a dialogue, a point I reject in the name of cinematic purity. Avatar is neither a satiric comedy nor a trenchant stage drama. Characters and words tell the story, but they are pawns to purvey cinematic expression. Those who are awed by and feel the film’s magic won’t feel the simplistic dialogue which seems to combine New Age expression and macho agression, is either abnormal or detrimental. That said, it’s abundantly clear that Cameron’s storytelling prowess widely trumps his talents as a writer of prose.

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Sam Juliano said...

But it all comes down to the wonderment and astounding visual tapestries, accentuated by the metamorphosis of a character who sees the inherent beauty in a culture ravaged by war, internal strife and foreign invasion. This creates in the viewer an emotion so powerful that it defies description. It’s almost like you found some clues to the meaning of life. But short of those lofty aspersions, the film raises questions of mortality and existence (much in the style of Darren Aronofsky’s The Fountain- a giant willow tree holding the meaning of life for all living things echoes the Tree of Life in Aronofsky’s film) and with a ruminative flow that recalls Terrence Malick) that turn a futuristic planetary action thriller into a far more profound philosophical experience. The blend of mysticism and environmentalism evident in Avatar also suggests Japanese filmmaker Hayao Miyazaki, whose influence might also be discerned in the scenes of awe and wonderment set in the centerpiece forest sequences. Avatar is so overwhelming that any objections to pedestrian dialogue or plotting are really beside the point. This is no movie but an “experience” that has become all too rare these days.

AVATAR is quite simply one of the greatest films of the decade in any language. I read your CGI issues and your excellent middle of the road appraisal, but as so many who have celebrated this film, it's really a question of feeling the magic. It happens only once or twice a year, but when it does you almost feel like you reached the gates of heaven

Greg said...

Damn you liked this movie! Since your appraisal all comes down to a feeling I certainly cannot argue that your feeling is wrong, simply that I didn't feel the same thing.

As for the authority of big name critics liking or loving a film that I do not I cannot see how that would act as a counter-argument to anything I have written here. The implied logic behind a statement of an 85/15 split is that the majority is always right in the appreciation of any given work in the cinematic art form, and thus, if one belongs to the 15 percent group then one is wrong. This takes my personal opinion that I arrived at thanks to decades of studying, reading about and watching films and relegates it to meaninglessness because it happens to fall on the wrong side of the 85/15 split. There are many occasions in history, as well as specifically the history of art, where the majority has been wrong I can assure you.

The narrative device is hardly original but it serves as a potent underpinning to the awesome spectacle that plays out here...

At this point you detail the spectacle of the last section of the film. If the plot and dialogue are not original then all you're left with is spectacle. Does that mean if one were to project two hours of random special effects footage in a theatre it would be a great movie? The dialogue is secondary in 2001 as well but it's not bad in fact it's incredibly natural and ordinary. I understand dialogue not being the primary focal point and said as much in the review, but when it calls attention to itself then it begins to detract from the film and I cannot simply ignore that and give it a pass.

In all honesty I don't think we can discuss much here as we are coming at it from two very different personal experiences. You felt it was a rare "experience" and I am sincerely happy for you because frankly, I love it when anyone, especially a fellow writer and film lover, really connects with a film. For me the experience was as I described in my review. I found solid action sequences directed very well by I daresay a master of the form but little else. This is going to sound insufferably snobby and Sam, I truly don't mean it to be, but when I watch something like The Earrings of Madame de... or Babette's Feast or The Life and Death of Colonal Blimp I get a feeling afterwards, a rush of adrenaline and emotion and longing to make films like them and I just don't get it with Avatar. The CGI environments don't connect to me as well as they do to you and perhaps they never will. But I am happy they do for you and that it was such a spiritual experience for you.

Sam Juliano said...

Greg, the implication of your opening sentence here:

"When one walks into a movie like Avatar, with all the advance hype and two camps, one of worshippers and one of haters, seemingly pitted against each other, one definitely wants to have a strong opinion of it...."....is that the film was pretty much the recipient of a roughly equal number of lovers and haters. I am NOT suggesting that YOU or ME or ANYBODY ELSE needs to conform with the majority, which as I stated in this instance was something like85/15. With AVATAR it simply is not quite truthful to imply that the response on the film has been sharply divided. INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS received roughly the same breakdown, and noone thought to pose there was any kind of a divided response. I was NOT in any way, shape or form trying to suggest that YOU or anyone else was wrong for being in that 15%, as I have been with the extreme minority many times over the years including this years with the aforementioned BASTERDS, UP IN THE AIR, WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE and swimming away from the nay sayers with ANTICHRIST and modestly with THE LOVELY BONES.

I was not a fan of Sophia Coppola's LOST IN TRANSLATION either to cite one rather high-profile example, but there are many other examples. I did not like either GOMORRAH or A CHRISTMAS TALE, two generally accepted foreign gems that released last year. So now Greg, I am not saying that you are wrong, I am only addressing that misleading earlier statement.
I continue to read and respect professional criticism, which too often is the catalyst for contrarian blogger ire. But that is not the case at all here, where I know you as someone who calls it th eway he sees it. Hence that statement you made there about 'meaningless' and studying and so on really can be set aside, as that's not what I meant at all.

Greg: I am a huge lifetime lover(I am 55 years old, by the way) of foreign-language cinema, first and foremost, and I have spent my life studying Bergman, Bresson, Bunuel, Renoir, Ozu, Mizoguchi, Ophuls, Dreyer, De Sica, Fellini, S. Ray, Kurosawa, Naruse, Teshigahara, Visconti, Melville, Gance, Vlacil, Eisenstein, Tarr, Kieslowski, Waja, Tarkovsky, Welles, Chaplin, Keaton, Eisenstein, Pudovkin, Truffaut, Cocteau, Loach, Hitchcock, Lean, Powell and Pressburger, etc. etc., and I collect every one of their films and presently own every single Criterion DVD released except for 6 titles, and have well over 600 Region 2 DVDs, so you can be rest assured my love of film hardly rests with contemporary American cinema. I am constantly attending classic cinema and foreign film retrospectives at manhattan's Film Forum, and so on. I agree with your love for those few films you mentioned there, and I know you are not remotely a snob. I am on the same page with you.
But on those rare occasions where a Hollywood film clicks on all cylinders, I won't let my strong preference for art house cinema stop me from admitting I was stirred on the highest level by some exceedingly excellent film craftsmanship.
I appreciate what you are saying here.

Greg said...

I collect every one of their films and presently own every single Criterion DVD released except for 6 titles, and have well over 600 Region 2 DVDs...

Holy crap, I have got to make an extended visit to your place Sam!

Also, it appears I may have offended you by implying you were not wise in the ways of world cinema. I certainly didn't intend that implication, I really didn't, I was simply trying to explain what connected with me. I apologize if it came off any other way. I also realize I quite inadvertantly listed three non-American films so I may have sent the wrong message that way. I love American film through and through, especially a great deal of the Hollywood product of the thirties and forties so I should have included one of those too.

Sam Juliano said...

Ha Greg! You are welcome here anytime, and I am also available for copies of anything as others know well.

No, I didn't take it that way at all, I just wanted you to know that I fully understood the difference between "true" inspiration in the grand cinematic scheme, and you are right, it is rare that a contemporary American film can move to this level, and that differentiation wasn't lost on me. In any case as an extension to support your general position I will note that this year in my Top ten list for 2009 (actually Top 12 as I had a three-way tie for No. 10) posted at my blogsite, there were only four American films in the group:

1 Bright Star (Australia)
2 Avatar
3 35 Shots of Rum (France)
4 Up
5 A Single Man
6 Police, Adjective(Romania)
7 Everlasting Moments (Sweden)
8 A Serious Man
9 Summer Hours (France)
10 Tokyo Sonata (Japan)
Seraphine (France)
Of Time and the City (UK)

The dire state of Hollywood and American cinema aside from some Pixar and some accomplished independent releases is evident virtually every year, and this year is par for the course. I happen to believe that AVATAR is that rarest of exceptions, but you were more than fair and extremely gracious towards my position here as you gave me room for my 'feelings.' You were not in any way uppity here, and you never are at any time. I also appreciate you stating that were pleased that one of your fellow bloggers had 'connected' to the film. I could hardly ask for more Greg. Apart from all that, the bottom line is that you headed this post with a spectacular review.

Dane said...

I am a big old science fiction fan and yet will never ever go see this. If Cameron wrote the dialogue, that's it, I'm out. Also, it just sort of looks stupid. Sorry Zoe, I'll catch you in the next movie.

I'm a Titanic buff, and so when I heard, back in '97, the lengths to which Cameron was going to fully recreate the ship as accurately as possible, and that on the historic event side, he was going to practically make it a documentary, I knew I was going to see it. So I did, and sure enough, the ship, the disastrous chain of events, the clothes, basically all the visuals, were wonderfully done.

The love story and oh em eff gee the dialogue put me right off. To say nothing of the jackassery re: rich people bad, poor people saints.

Minor funny story about seeing it in the theater; I went with my fiance at the time and during the previews, they ran one for Hard Rain, which is about a robbery in a flood. Fiance turns to me and in all seriousness says "I don't think I can see that, I have a thing about water." Me: "... I don't think you're going to like Titanic."

Also, when Leo ends up in the water, I knew enough to mutter to fiance "he's got about 20 minutes left to live." The weeping teenagers in front of me started weeping noticeably harder. I laughed.

Not that any of this has one damn thing to do with Avatar. And that's the way I like it.

claude said...

Finally a rational review of "Avatar". I don't know about other people, but I do find comfort in reading opinions similar to mine (well, in this case I wished I would've been able to write this review myself :-)). Thanks.

Arbogast said...

I've always liked Lang as an actor

Me, too. I've even acted with him! Used to love him on Crime Story 20 years ago and he was a staple of Broadway and Off-Broadway plays for many, many years. (He also played on the Broadway softball league.) Lang was in Manhunter, of course, which is probably his best known movie - and that was, what, a quarter of a century ago?

Charlie Rose to James Cameron: "Stephen Lang... where did you find this guy?"

Neil Sarver said...

I don't mean to be rude, but Sam's comments have an almost superhuman ability to make me less interested in AVATAR.

I don't think it's particular to them. I've come to believe that loving something is an experience that's almost impossible to capture in words effectively and the effort tends to come across ineffective and even anti-effective when processed by the other party intellectually rather than emotionally.

It's easy to run up to your friends and go "This movie was so amazing! You've gotta go!" but capturing that in a dry text discussion is pretty hard. Frankly, it's one of the things that's made using my blog as a forum for "reviews" is something I never felt comfortable with and am struggling with the idea of whether I'd go back to.

Neil Sarver said...

I also agree with Bill about "amateurish and juvenile" politics.

I enjoy intelligent, well-considered politics that I disagree with. I find it interesting to see how others think and it forces me to fully consider the point. I find amateurish and juvenile politics that I agree with to be offensive and frustrating.

Amateurish and juvenile politics I disagree makes me nearly hot to kill.

Paul Arrand Rodgers said...

I guess I kind of, sort of liked Avatar. It got three stars because it passably did the same story everybody has seen and I thought that the CGI world looked better than those of Robert Zemekis, whose creations look like animate wax statues. At the same time, the comparison to Star Wars is apt: The visuals here really haven't improved that much over Episodes Two and Three (One still had Muppets and people in suits, though it still managed to be the most impersonal of the three).

The more I think about Avatar though, the more indifferent I've gotten. I mean, I wanted to go see it in 2D to see if I was really off base in saying that spending the extra money wasn't worth it (Seriously, it all faded into the background, as you say), but there are better ways I can spend my money, and all of the cliches, which I barely managed to ignore the first time, would really start to drag. Things like unobtanium, the sudden importance of the Na'vi religion, and that awful sex scene (only Watchmen's was worse) are currently sticking in my craw, and I imagine my opinion on the movie can only go down from there. Would you believe I saw this movie without seeing a single trailer or ad that wasn't also simultaneously for a Big Mac or a projector phone?

Nice, considered review.

Greg said...

Sam, that's a great top 12 list and as I don't make it out to the theatres that often (maybe 8 or 10 times a year and more than half older films at the AFI) I'll see most of these on DVD. Thanks the good discussion and the understanding.

Greg said...

Dane, I love Titanic history too and have seen all the versions, including the made-for-tv ones except the Nazi version but that's now available and I hope to rent a copy soon. I even have an old PC Titanic adventure game for goodness sakes.

I agree with you about Cameron's Titanic. I found the attention to detail very rewarding and am glad he did it because it's a visual record of the way the ship looked that we now have. But everything else I just didn't like, especially the present day story. Oh man did I hate Bill Paxton's character and his obnoxious cronies. It's too painful to think about right now so I'll stop. But the period detail, at least in physical form, not spoken form, is good so at least there's that.

Greg said...

Arbo, he's also very good in Death of a Salesman and The Hard Way.

Charlie Rose... [shakes head]... that guy bugs me. I've started to use the term "the Charlie Rose face" to describe the slightly bewildered look guests get on their face after a few minutes in when they realize those first couple of interruptions and inane questions and statements weren't an anomaly but in fact the norm.

Laura and I were watching a clip the other day and he was interviewing Christopher Guest about his improv movies and just saying one stupid thing after another and I said, "Here it comes, here come the Charlie Rose face" and sure enough Guest looked slightly bewildered and offended for the rest of the interview. And Rose? Oblivious to it all.

Greg said...

Neil, it's true, it's very hard to express a love for a movie in words. It's easier to analyze why a movie doesn't work than why it does at least in my experience. I think Sam did a good job of making me understand why he liked it but since I didn't have the same feelings about it they neither swayed me or confirmed my own opinion so I guess making oneself understood, as Sam did, is the best we can hope for in this medium of blogging.

And stupid politics is a hateful thing. I think I get more upset with arguments for the things I believe in that are lazy or corrupted. Like the quote at the top of Jim Emerson's Scanners by Daniel Dennett - "There's nothing I like less than bad arguments for a view that I hold dear."

Greg said...

Thanks Paul. To go back to the 3-D which you mention I have to reiterate to all that it really did pretty much disappear for me after 15 to 20 minutes. My memories of it now seem 2-D. I don't remember anything now with a 3-D appearance if you know what I mean. It all seems 2-D so why in the hell did I pay the extra money, I mean besides being an all-day sucker.

As for the Na'vi, one of the problems I had with the movie and any other like it, like say Dances with Wolves, was that the alien culture is simply too pure. I end up losing whatever sympathy I might have had for them because they become unreal, and I'm not talking about the CGI. There's no life to them, no real inner or outer character because they're perfect, and perfectly right morally at all times.

I'm sure there are better examples than this but since the movie's been on my mind since I did a post about a couple of weeks ago I'll use it. In Planet of the Apes both sides have problems. Taylor is arrogant and a jerk but also a captive. The alien culture, the apes, have characters that sympathize with him, our chimpanzee protagonists, and characters that don't, Dr. Zaius. And that character, Zaius suppresse knowledge, orders lobotomies on sentient beings and engages in other dubious actions. But in the end we know he kind of hates what he's doing but he's doing it because he's seen the destruction man has done and is terrified it will happen again and so he does immoral things for the good of his culture and society. And this is not a movie known for its subtlety but still the writers, Michael Wilson and Rod Serling principally, understood to make the story more identifiable the alien race, the apes, had to be more human, for lack of a better word. In Avatar they're not human with the attendant foibles and flaws, they're angels and can do no wrong. And so by about halfway through they don't even exist for me as characters anymore, they simply become ideological stand-ins for James Cameron's beliefs. As a result I stop caring about them.

Kimberly Lindbergs said...

I can't believe you paid to see Avatar. Of course this is coming from someone who would pay to see Transporter 4 if Jason Statham takes his shirt off in it.

In other news...

I've given you some silly blogger award: http://cinebeats.blogsome.com/2010/01/10/blogger-awards-2/

Greg said...

Yes, I not only paid money, I paid good money, thanks to the damn three dollar hike for the 3-D showing. The things I do for this blog.

Thanks so much for the award Kimberly, I have already graciously accepted at the wonderful Cinebeats, although now I can't give it to you, but maybe I will anyway.