Sunday, February 8, 2009

Spread of Activation III, The DVD Edition


Ever see a DVD and think it should cost less even though it only costs seven dollars to begin with? I thought that as I was flipping through the DVDs at Borders in downtown Silver Spring on Friday. I came across Stripes. It was seven bucks, or to be more precise, $6.99. Now to be sure that's pretty cheap for a DVD. And yet I said to myself, "If this were a buck fifty I'd get it." Now before I confuse the situation too much let me clarify. I don't think it should be a buck fifty because it's a bad movie although it's also nothing special. I saw it in the theatre when it opened, had a few laughs, saw it on cable a couple more times and laughed again. It's fine. It's unambitious, cheaply made, and a bit visually shabby. However, it does adequately serves its purpose, which is basically to provide a quick and easy comedy vehicle for Bill Murray and show P.J. Soles breasts. So I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying for what it sets out to do and what it accomplishes, and how meager all those goals were to begin with, it should be a buck fifty. And then I might get it.

Or how about the desire to buy a DVD of a movie you don't even like? That happens to me more than I care to admit and I'm always a little confused by it when it does. A couple of weeks ago I was out perusing the DVDs again when I happened across The Greatest Show on Earth. This is a movie I truly dislike. I find it lethargically paced, poorly scripted and remarkably non-eventful. I do like the car/train crash sequence with it's miniatures colliding and careening but outside of that I'm just not a fan. But there it was priced at $8.99. "Wow," I thought, "$8.99, I should get it." And then I remembered I didn't like it. But then I thought, "But it's a classic film and I want my DVD collection to be overflowing with classic films." And then I remembered how much I didn't it and forced myself to walk away.

Or how about the multiple movie DVDs priced a little higher than a single DVD? These come in a variety of qualities. The TCM Archives discs are pretty good. Usually three movies, priced around 40 bucks, with good quality transfers. But then I think, "Forty bucks for one DVD. I could buy two or three DVDs for that price." Now the obvious logical hole here is that there are two or three movies on this one DVD but it's still one DVD and that's what throws me off. And here's why: When I buy three DVDs for forty bucks I'm getting three DVD cases, with three DVDs. When I buy TCM Archives DVDs, which I have, I'm getting one DVD case and at most, two DVDs. Here's what TCM and others should do: Treat it like a mini-boxset. For instance, I have TCM Archives Forbidden Hollywood Collection Volume One. This has Baby Face, Red Headed Woman and Waterloo Bridge on it. It is on two DVDs inside one DVD case. Instead, they should package each movie in it's own case and slip them in a cover box announcing the collection just like one would get buying the Star Wars or Lord of the Rings trilogy. You still get three separate cases so the price doesn't cause an illogical reaction in the buyer.

And speaking of box sets I own almost none. They're just too expensive for me. I've got the Woody Allen and Stanley Kubrick sets as well as The Godfather set that recently came out but that's about it. They just cost so damn much, it's prohibitive to my budget. So I look for collector's DVDs instead that have lots of great features. As I peruse my collection in wondering which is my favorite my eye falls on The Adventures of Robin Hood, Two Disc Special Edition. My God, it's glorious! It's probably my favorite Collector's Edition DVD of my whole collection. First and foremost, it has the movie, that great, brilliant wonderful movie of 1938, one of my favorite adventure films of all time. But then, there are the features. Holy cow! It has:

*Music Only Audio Track where you can listen to Erich Korngold's great score.

*The short subject Warner Night at the Movies 1938 which features the trailer for Angels With Dirty Faces, a newsreel, the musical short subject Freddie Rich and his Orchestra and the Merrie Melodies cartoon Katnip Kollege.

*Full length documentary Welcome to Sherwood: The Story of the Adventures of Robin Hood.

*Outtakes and cut scenes from the movie.

*Breakdowns of 1938, a blooper reel that Warner Brothers put together every year to show to its employees at their annual banquet (yes, you get to hear the stars of the day cursing - they say 'goddamn' a lot).

*The mini-doc, Robin Hood Through the Ages, which covers other screen adaptations.

*A Journey to Sherwood Forest which contains home movies shot on the backlot during production of the movie by Basil Rathbone.

*The classic Merrie Melodies cartoons Rabbit Hood and Robin Hood Daffy ("Yoicks and away").

*Calvacade of Archery, a short produced in 1938 showcasing the skills of Howard Hill, the archery expert who trained Flynn. Wow, is he good. His skills are amazing to behold. Seriously, he can hit something the size of a pea with his arrow, including of course splitting arrows in a bullseye again and again.

*The Cruise of the Zaca, a short film that follows Errol on his yacht, the Zaca, as he and his scientist father, wife and friends sail the world exploring sea life and different cultures. My youngest absolutely loves this short. We've watched it at least a dozen times.

*Splitting the Arrow, a slideshow of historical art, costume designs, concept drawings, cast and crew photos and publicity stills.

*The Robin Hood Radio Show from May 11, 1938 with the vocal work of Flynn, DeHavilland and Rathbone.

*An audio recording of a piano session with Erich Korngold.

*The Errol Flynn Trailer Gallery which features the original trailers from Flynn's movies. And not just one or two. No, as Baron Guest once said, this one goes to eleven, including favorites Captain Blood and The Sea Hawk.

*And finally, the full length documentary, Glorious Technicolor, on the history of the technicolor process, of which was used for Robin Hood.

That's one hell of a set of bonus features, including of course the expected commentary by Rudy Behlmer who does probably 70 percent of all classic DVD commentaries. I've never listened to it to be honest. But everything else I have checked out, several of them many times over. It's a motherlode of features and didn't cost much more than an average DVD, certainly not as much as a box set.

Criterion Collection DVDs usually have lots of good features as well but the main selling point of Criterion is the transfer itself. Still, sometimes even Criterion disappoints. Another favorite of mine, The Most Dangerous Game, is on a DVD put out by Criterion. The transfer is good, not great and the special features? Audio commentary and subtitles. That's it. No really, that's it. And it's Criterion. But it's an older Criterion. Recent purchases of The Rules of the Game and The Lady Vanishes definitely offer more, on par with the Robin Hood DVD described above.


Well, that about wraps up this DVD edition of Spread of Activation. One last thing and this one seems really crazy but maybe, just maybe, I'm not alone. Has anyone else picked up a DVD of a movie they already own on DVD and considered buying it? I don't mean a new, better transfer or any different features. I mean essentially the same DVD but at most it has a new cover box and you think, "Well, I like the new cover a lot and..." Anybody? Or is that just me?

23 comments:

Brian Doan said...

I've never re-purchased because of box art, but I like that idea. I did re-purchase the I SPY boxes, which were inexpensively available on DVD through Amazon, because the initial DVDs had the episodes out of order-- I'm not even sure WHAT the logic of the initial order was (although the transfers were nice, and the episodes themselves are quite wonderful-- such great interplay between Culp and Cosby). When they were re-released as Season 1/2/3 sets, it just felt right to get them that way.

I've also re-purchased to upgrade-- so, if something came out initially in a cheap edition, and then was later re-released through Criterion or Warners or whatever, I'll sometimes re-buy.

Totally agree about that Robin Hood disc-- it's in my top three or four movies of all time, and the extras are great. Speaking of which, I know you said you don't do box sets, but if you ever want a great one (with similar extras to the ones on Robin Hood), the first Errol Flynn box is spectacular. Captain Blood, The Sea Hawk, Dodge City, They Died With Their Boots On, The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex-- all very, very good, and a lot of fun for you and your family if you are Flynn fans (as it sounds like you are). The second box-- which includes Gentlemen Jim-- also looks good, but I don't have it.

Brian Doan said...

Oh, and the Flynn box also includes a very nice two-hour documentary on his life and career, as a separate disc.

Flickhead said...

Stripes also has Sgt. Hulka With The Big Toe, which sets it aside from the rest of the pack. That's the fact, Jack.

It's interesting how words and meanings evolve: is The Greatest Show on Earth a "classic" in the aesthetic sense or because it's old? To be honest, I've never been able to get through it from beginning to end, because it's just not that good a film, nor does it offer anything that feels remotely entertaining to me.

If it's a classic because it's old, does that mean everything beyond a certain date is classic too?

Borders "discount prices" are high. So are the current Going-Out-Of-Business prices at Circuit City. (They up the original sticker price in accordance with the fluctuating sale percentage -- week after week, you're doomed to pay the same price no matter how high the sale goes.)

People with far more social conscience than I boo and hiss at Walmart, but you can get Stripes there for five bucks or less, and the Scorsese boxed set was reduced to $13 a couple of weeks ago.

Peter Nellhaus said...

There aren't too many DVDs I see multiple times, so my determining factor is primarily, will it be out on a DVD that I can rent from Netflix? This is why my purchases are imported DVDs, although several have become available in R1 versions after I bought my copy.

Please resist buying The Greatest Show on Earth. Instead, let me recommend The Hellfire Club with sword fights and sex, and more fun than will be had with James Stewart in clown makeup.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Brian , I'd love to get that Flynn box set but I'm sure it's out of my price range. Although that documentary I've seen. It ran on TCM and it's terrific. I'll check into the price to see if it's doable.

As for upgrades that's entirely understandable. I do that often. I'm talking about seeing a non-upgrade, just a different box, and thinking, "Yeah I like this one better." It's stupid and I don't do it but I find myself deliberating it often.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Well actually Flickhead, if you read this which just recently has been creating a small firestorm, you'll see Wal-Mart in a much better light. You can force your friends with a social conscience to read it and see what they think.

And I now kind of wish I'd just picked up Stripes in some ways, and in others, not. I like replaying the lines in my head or with my wife without actually seeing it again. For instance, if ever Wisconsin comes up (and you'd be surprised how often all fifty states come up in conversation - I take notice for some reason) my wife or I will immediately say, "You go in you go out, it's like Wisconsin." And then the other of us will say, "Hey I got the shit kicked out of me in Wisconsin once."

Or my favorite line that I and millions others have used and most people probably have no idea where it originated: "You just made the list."

And of course Sgt Hulka would reply, "Lighten up Francis."

As to "classic" I simply meant an older movie that is well known. It may not be good but thanks to its Oscar its known and always will be. As I made clear in the post, I don't like it at all but I have this odd desire to own every single movie made before 1970. For now I can resist because my primary goal is to have every movie made in the thirties and forties first but eventually I'll move on to the fifties and there it will be, costing only a few bucks, tempting me.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Peter, I'd love to own The Hellfire Club and have already put it in line for an order. I order a couple of low cost DVDs a week from TCM. They have an incredible database for searching. You know, by actor, genre, decade, director, and so on and the DVDs are very reasonably priced and so far, all pretty good transfers, even on the obscure stuff from, say, 1932. I've put The Hellfire Club in line on my account. Thanks for the reminder.

Flickhead said...

Russell Ziskey: You could join a monastery.
John Winger: Did you ever see a monk get wildly fucked by some teenage girls?
Russell Ziskey: Never.
John Winger: So much for the monastery.

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Recruiter: Now, are either of you homosexuals?
John Winger: You mean like flaming?
Recruiter: Well, it's a standard question we have to ask.
Russell Ziskey: No, we're not homosexual, but we are willing to learn.
John Winger: Yeah . . . Would they send us someplace special?

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Sergeant Hulka: Okay, Mr. Push-ups, let's hear your story.
John Winger: Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual. But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you. I mean, it's not just the uniform. It's the stories that you tell. So much fun and imagination.
[points to the soldier next to him]
John Winger: Lee Harvey, you are a madman. When you stole that cow, and your friend tried to make it with the cow. I want to party with you, cowboy. But the two of us together? Forget it! I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I'm gonna volunteer my leadership to this platoon. An army without leaders is like a foot without a big toe. And Sergeant Hulka isn't always gonna be here to be that big toe for us. I think that we owe a big round of applause to our newest, bestest buddy, and big toe... Sergeant Hulka.
[the soldiers start clapping]
Sergeant Hulka: Well, okay, hotshot. We're gonna see what kind of soldier you are.

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Sergeant Hulka: Soldier, I've noticed that you're always last.
John Winger: I'm pacing myself, Sergeant.

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Sgt. Hulka: Maybe you'd like to take a swing at me.
John Winger: I 'd like to take a big swing at you, sarge.
Sgt. Hulka: Well, go ahead and give it your best shot.
John Winger: I don't think I want to go to the stockade.
Sgt. Hulka: I'll take my hat off. There we are, Winger. Ain't no more drill sergeant. It's just you and me, kid, man to man. So go ahead, give it your best shot. Swing at me. Gutless. Punk.
[Winger fakes, then tries to hit Sgt. Hulka, who ducks and punches Winger in his stomach, dropping him to his knees, gasping for breath.]
Sgt. Hulka: [putting his hat back on] I'm willing to forget this little incident. And I want you to think real hard about it. And maybe someday you'll understand what the hell I'm talking about.

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General Barnicke: Where the hell have you been, soldier?
John Winger: Traaaaaaaining, sir!
Soldiers: Training, sir!
General Barnicke: What kind of training, son?
John Winger: Aaaaaaarmy training, sir!
Soldiers: Army training, sir!
[laughter]
General Barnicke: Where's your drill sergeant, men?
John Winger: Blown up, sir!
Capt. Stillman: Uhh, yes, sir, these are Sgt. Hulka's men. He was injured during basic training.
General Barnicke: I soo. So am I to understand you men completed your training on your own?
John Winger: Tha's the fact, Jack!
Soldiers: That's the fact, Jack!
General Barnicke: Captain, these are exactly the kind of go-getters I want on my EM-50 project.
Capt. Stillman: But, sir . . .
General Barnicke: Don't "But" me, Captain. I want them on the plane. Tonight!
John Winger: Gentlemen, it's party time...battalion style!

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John Winger: C'mon, it's Czechoslovakia. We zip in, we pick 'em up, we zip right out again. We're not going to Moscow. It's Czechoslovakia. It's like we're going into Wisconsin.
Russell Ziskey: Well, I got the shit kicked out of me in Wisconsin once. Forget it.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Flickhead, you've brought the memories of the Pinehaven theatre flooding back in. My brother and I saw it together. I love all those moments. And you got the Wisconsin line right, I was operating from a memory 28 years ago. I applaud you. You are a lean, mean fighting machine!

Flickhead said...

Da doo run run run

Da doo run run!

I do have a copy of Stripes and I think I'll go play it right now!

The Elmer Bernstein music calls to me . . .

Jonathan Lapper said...

Yeah, rub it in. I should've bought the damn thing.

"That's why my friends call me the Cruiser."

Ed Howard said...

I've never experienced the phenomenon of wanting to buy a DVD of a movie I don't like. That seems bizarre. Likewise wanting to buy a DVD I already own with different cover art. I hate rebuying things I already own, period; about the only things that could persuade me to buy a new edition of something I already have is a massively improved transfer or the inclusion of some special feature I just can't miss, like an essential short film or something. Actually, I don't even care about most special features -- I'd be much happier with Criterions, generally, if they were substantially cheaper, had the same transfers, and had little to no extras. I rarely ever listen to a commentary, and will occasionally browse through interviews or making-ofs or whatever; really though, 9 times out of 10 I'd rather just watch the movie again instead. If, for example, a Godard feature comes with a Godard short film, that's great, but most other bonuses I couldn't care less about.

My most obsessive DVD buying habit is probably my addiction to box sets, especially classic Hollywood box sets. I'll see a set that has maybe one movie I'd really like to see, plus a bunch of others that promise to be rather standard, but I'll still find it hard to pass up: it seems so much more economical to buy the discounted box than to just get the one film I really want. It's a little silly.

Of course, lately I've stopped buying DVDs altogether since I have so many I still haven't actually watched. It'll be a while before I need to leave my room to find a movie to see.

Iris said...

Psst, Jonathan, that Errol Flynn box set is currently on sale for only $28.76 at DeepDiscount. It's part of their box set sale, which ends Feb 13 -- full list here. (LOTS of good stuff -- I was not supposed to be buying any more DVDs until I watch what I've already got, but in a moment of weakness I bought all 3 volumes of the Bette Davis Collection... oops.)

And on your original topic -- yes, I am often tempted to buy movies that I don't like much, just because they're "classic" and/or on sale. But I try to keep reminding myself of how much money I've already wasted that way, and how little space I have left on my shelves.

I actually can't recall ever seeing a new cover on a DVD that's otherwise identical to an old edition -- at least not anything that I already owned. But once I *almost* repurchased the exact same version of The Big Sleep, just because the DVD I owned was in one of those cardboard cases with the snappy part on the right side, and I was browsing in Borders and saw the same DVD in a regular plastic case. I have an irrational hatred of those cardboard cases, but that purchase would have been ridiculous even by my standards.

Rick Olson said...

I used to buy a lot more DVDs than I do. But since my taste has improved, they're so much more expensive. I wish there were more used and cheap DVD outlets around here, so I could go through them obsessively.

Plus, now that I have a Blu-ray player, I don't know what to do ...

I can't hardly bring myself to buy movies for a better transfer, much less box art.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Ed, Iris and Rick - I've never actually bought a DVD I already have because of cover art, but I've often been tempted to. I just manage to reign myself in.

Ed, I wish I could afford more box sets. Like you, I don't watch a lot of the bonus features but if there is a full length documentary I probably will. But trailers and commentaries I don't watch/listen to much.

Iris, thanks for that box set info. I'm on my way to that link.
And by the way, I hate those snappy thingies to. I break them off if they're on the case.

Rick, it is more expensive thanks to Criterion. I won't get blu-ray for a while and then I'm sure something new will come out three months later so what's the point. By the time I have a DVD collection to be really proud of they will all be obsolete anyway.

Arbogast said...

Jesus Lapper, with all the cigarettes you're not smoking these days, you should be able to go through The Criterion Collection like a dose of salts.

I'm often tempted to pick up DVDs of movies I didn't like because at some point I'll probably refer to them and want to grab images from them, like Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow or Underworld. I see them for $9.99 and think "Maybe I should..." and then I talk myself out of it.

I recently had a gift card to spend at Barnes & Noble and $10 remaining, so I agonized over the budget DVDs by the check-out for about half an hour. There were lots of movies there I liked but I couldn't find one to fit my mood of the moment (which was ghosts), so I finally picked Rosemary's Baby, which I didn't own on disc. Isn't that a great story?

I like The Greatest Show on Earth. The part where Jesus heals the lepers... c'mon, guys, how can you not be moved by that?

Jonathan Lapper said...

Isn't that a great story?

It's the greatest story ever told.

I like The Greatest Show on Earth. The part where Jesus heals the lepers... c'mon, guys, how can you not be moved by that?

Also the Betty Hutton/Cornell Wilde chariot race is pretty effin' cool!

BLH said...

I bought Stripes in a three-pack with Groundhog Day and Ghostbusters for $8.99. So I overpaid for Stripes by 100%. At least I got a good deal on Groundhog Day.

And I'm tempted to buy stuff I don't like all the time, for some reason. Sometimes it works out for the best, like when my opinion of Million Dollar Baby did a complete 180 after I bought it for $8 (funny how that happens). And today...I saw Coraline at the cinema and loved it (loved it!), and afterwards was tempted to buy The Corpse Bride even though I didn't like that movie, only because it's tangentially (very tangentially) related to Coraline.

Shuffling around HMV with too much discretionary income on hand does something strange to my brain.

Jonathan Lapper said...

And I'm tempted to buy stuff I don't like all the time, for some reason

So it's not just me. And 9 bucks for those three movies - that's a great deal. Now, that I'd buy!

Kirk Gardner said...

I would take issue with your wanting all collections to come in separate DVD cases and a box, just so you feel like you're getting something substantial. I love sets that economize by using the thin cases and multiple discs. This is because I can then fool myself that it's OK to buy a set because it won't take up much space on my crowded shelves.

I really hate when they release the complete season set of a TV show in nice compact packaging after I've taken the time to support them by buying separate seasons that take up lots of valuable space. In fact, that's when I'm most likely to consider rebuying something I already have (though, so far, I've always talked myself out of it).

Jonathan Lapper said...

This is because I can then fool myself that it's OK to buy a set because it won't take up much space on my crowded shelves.


True, the shelf space is a factor. I just like the separate DVDs as well because I separate the movies out alphabetically for easier searching (I have a lot of DVDs). So when I got my Woody Allen and Stanley Kubrick sets, I took the movies from the sets and put them where they fit alphabetically.

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