Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Here amidst the shuffle of an overflowing day


So I have my coffee, check my blog and begin the process of making the rounds. Then I think to myself, "sometimes, this blogging thing can really make my head spin." Before long my mind turns into a jumble of thoughts; disorganized and confused. To try and organize them I begin writing. It's what I always do to organize my thoughts; write them down. As I knock about from blog to blog I think:



Am I a movie-lover or a cinephile, and is there even a difference? Should I feel bad because I don't get into talking about the technical aspects of film as much as the emotional aspects? Am I an elitist because when I read about some film seminar where a film is analyzed frame by frame, I wonder, "Do they even like movies? Do they feel them at all? Is it just a technical exercise to them?"



Then I read a piece about some technical aspect, like film grain, on Glen Kenny by way of the Siren and I think, "Why don't I write more stuff like this? They're talking about the technical stuff but doing so in a movie loving way. And there's good interaction in the comments section with people even declaring their love for The Godfather, Part III, which is astonishing to me because I can barely make it through that movie without giggling." So yeah, screw the emotional stuff, let's get technical



Then I flip the page to another blogger and he's got a funny post up. "That's what I should do, more funny pieces. Everyone loves a good laugh," I think, "No more emotional or technical approaches to the movies. It's joke time!"




But wait a minute. If I do too many of those then I won't be taken seriously as a blogger. I'll be shunned by the Academic crowd and I've got a lot to say about German Expressionism, Italian Neo-Realism and the French New Wave. Yeah, it's time to get serious. More gravity. Problem is I don't know what to write. I'm stuck. Drawing nothing but a big huge blank.



How about a video? Yeah! I could put up a video of a great moment in Cinema History. Just posting it will cover the technical, emotional and academic bases because it's all about watching the piece itself and discussing it in the comment section. No commentary necessary. But not too much video posting, then you just look lazy. You know, like Rick Olson.



And... oh crap! I suddenly remember I commented on his blog yesterday and never saw the response. I go to his blog to see it and there are now 27 other comments and an entire discussion I missed.





Flummoxed, I check my e-mail and find I have received 37 new e-mails concerning film festivals, free screeners, blog contests, pleas to review short subjects and other independent films and of course, that e-mail from the online jewelers who wanted me to do a review of their jewelry website on Cinema Styles. No, I'm serious. I was asked to do a review of an online jewelry store. ON A MOVIE BLOG!



Then despair sets in. I have nothing original to say. Every topic I've ever written about has been covered elsewhere and most times, better. So now what? Do I stop just because my post about genre had already been tackled around 10,000 times by other bloggers?



It's not long after that that the blogging insecurities start to surface. Why didn't Marilyn comment on that last post of mine? Is she mad at me? Did I do something wrong? Where's Brian? He must not like Cinema Styles anymore. Why is it so hard to get a response out of Larry? Does he secretly hate me? Where's Bill? I guess now that he has his own blog I don't matter anymore.



Then it hits me: I'm at work and have five deadlines I've completely ignored because I've been blogging and writing about blogging and commenting on other blogs. Jesus Christ, I've got to focus, get down to work and stop obsessing about blogs and movies.



Okay, I'm going to get to work. Focus, man, focus. I'm going to do these dry, mind numbingly boring reports for the Public Affairs dept then have a meeting about that software redesign and then book tickets and a hotel for that goddamn business trip to Atlanta on freakin' Election Day!!! I am. Really.



Right after I check my blog ...

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bill r. said...

Oh, so it's not just me. Well, that's a relief.

Those discussions about the Godfather films over at Glenn Kenny's blog made me feel really inadequate. I own the first two films on DVD, and was simply unaware that they were not up to par. I was just happy to be able to watch them whenever I felt like it. And I felt even worse when one commenter mentioned (and was eventually agreed with by Glenn) that the image transfer on the Gangs of New York disc was utterly shoddy. I've watched that DVD several times, and I'd seen it in the theater, and I never noticed it. I mean, do I even know anything about movies??

As for your insecurity issues: I feel guilty when I don't comment on your blog. Or Rick's. Or Brian's. Or Fox's. Or Marilyn's. Or so on and on. I feel bad when I miss long discussions on another blog. And I also wonder, if I haven't received many comments from the few people I consider regulars at my own blog, I also wonder if I've done something to piss someone off.

Not only that, but when I do get a comment from you or Rick, for example, and that reminds me that I should check in with your blog, or Rick's, and then leave a comment, I worry that this comes across as some sort of quid pro quo. Like, I'll only comment on your blog if you comment on mine.

And although I've been writing to one degree or another for many years, I've mainly written fiction or humor, and now that I'm essentially forcing myself into a position where I have to write intelligently about films or books, I often don't feel like I know what I'm doing.

Yay! Blogs!

bill r. said...

And when I leave a comment or post on my blog and let through as many typos or awkward sentences as did in the above comment, I wonder if I really can write at all.

Yay! Comments!

NATHANIEL R said...

what Bill R. said. Or at least the first two sentences.

and the Tron gag = bliss.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Yay Bill! Blogging can take me through ups and downs on a daily basis. I've always been a confident, sometimes overly-confident, guy and yet blogging can make me utterly insecure.

And the quid pro quo thing. I know what you mean. I do a daily surf of about 30 blogs. I know others do 100 or 150 but I can't do that many and stay focused. I have a set of bloggers I enjoy reading and commenting with and when I go too long without commenting I feel guilty.

And not to scare you or anything but for me, after more than a year, it's only gotten worse. By next year I'll be a frazzled set of nerves with blogging.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Nathaniel, great to hear from you! You and I talked about some of this in person so I knew you'd understand. The perils of blogging: Who'd think when you start that there would be so much pressure that you put on yourself to keep up and make sure you post the "right" things and on and on? 90 percent of the time I just have fun with it, but 10 percent there's that nagging feeling I'm not quite good enough.

And thanks for the kudos on the Tron pics. I knew one day having that collector's edition DVD would come in handy.

bill r. said...

Ah, see, I'm not a confident guy, and so this whole blogging thing has the potential to either partially alleviate that condition, or make it a million times worse.

Over at Palimpsest, that book forum I refer to occasionally, I posted several pages of an unfinished short story. I received one comment. One. It was positive, but not very detailed, and that kind of crushed me, because I know the people there have taste. I don't always share their tastes, but I know that these people are serious readers. So I thought that I received so few comments because nobody liked it and just didn't know how to politely say so. At the same time, I actually don't think the story's bad, myself. It needs work (and to be finished), but I honestly think there are several good things about it. So I don't know. Anyway, that episode didn't help my confidence very much. I've thought about posting the story on my blog, but if the same thing happens, then... Plus, now that I've mentioned it here, I feel like if I did put the story up, you and others would feel obligated to say nice things about it.

It's very possible that I spend a great deal of my time overthinking things.

So now blogging. Glad to hear it gets worse. And I don't check anywhere near 30 blogs a day. Closer to 10.

Jonathan Lapper said...

I've read other bloggers like Girish say in comment sections that he reads 100 to 150 regularly - I don't know how he does it. The thirty mainly comes from what I like, obviously, but also people I've gotten to know around the web through comments here, comments from me on their blog or some third party blog like SLIFR.

And that earlier comment you made about the Glen Kenny discussion; I feel the same at the Siren's site. Here I am, mister classic movies of the thirties guy, and when I go over there I feel like some moron who just stumbled in by accident. "Uh... yeah... uh... movies, thirties,... uh... gah! Me like, movies thirties good."

And posting that story, I can only imagine. I'm glad the comment was positive. When I put up original work here (and there's PLENTY of original work coming up in October) such as a montage or a trailer or even my constant banners and don't get a lot of positive feedback I start to shrink away from doing much more. So far though, I've gotten plenty of great feedback on my original stuff so no worries. But if I didn't I'd probably just stop doing the original stuff.

bill r. said...

Now I wish I hadn't brought up that story incident, because I'm upset about it again. I just wish I KNEW why no one commented. It's the not knowing that gets to me.

Fox said...

(Why didn't Jonathan mention me??? Like, I think I've left more than 200 comments on his blog. Does he hate me for some reason?)

bill r. said...

Probably.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Well I couldn't mention everyone! But Fox, I peruse your blog and leave comments so there. And hey, a comment from you inspired an entire post here the other day and you didn't leave a comment. What the hell's up with that?

Jonathan Lapper said...

Bill, maybe you should just ask for feedback. Sometimes people are afraid to give constructive criticism even if they liked what they read because they're afraid of it being taken the wrong way.

Jonathan Lapper said...

And how come no one blogrolls The Invisible Edge? You people are just cruel that's all... Cruel!

So, seriously, blogroll it.

Jason Bellamy said...

Suggested alternate headline: "In other words, it's Tuesday."

Some blog tracking advice: If you're not using RSS to track already, it's a must. I use Google Reader. Saves so much time. Not to mention that you quickly determine which sites are little more than 'post a video' filler (I won't name names, but some of them are surprisingly celebrated for reasons I fail to understand) and which ones provide the goods. I 'follow' maybe 30 or so blogs now in the time that it used to take me to follow 5.

Some blog writing advice (also known as: "just my opinion"): Just post what you'd want to read. Simple as that. If that means it's about emotions, then your blog becomes that place that blog readers like me go to read about emotions. That's you. You can only be you. Nuthin' wrong with that.

Blog on.

Fox said...

SH*T! For real??? I was AWOL for the past five days. If only I could turn back time...

bill r. said...

Jonathan - I did blogroll "The Invisible Edge". Pay attention!

I don't know what I'll do about that story feedback issue, but I went back and read the first few pages. Damn it, it's pretty good!

Jonathan Lapper said...

Jason, thanks. Great alternate headline. I use NetVibes myself which gives me all thirty or so on one page with all the updates. Still I go back and forth on them and recheck comment updates, etc. And despite the post today, I definitely write what I want. I never actually put that much over-thinking into it. Sometimes, but not often. For the most part I'm not a "let's down and dirty into an aspect ratio discussion" kind of a guy. I like discussing technique very much, but where some writers leave me cold is in discussing technique without ever really getting into what effect it has for the movie overall. More often than not it will be self-contained within the scene without a bigger picture evident. For instance, I read a piece last year about several shots contained within a film and how they went against the standard shot usage for this particular kind of a scene and so on. It was practically brimming with the technical jargon of cinematography and yet in the end there was no sense of "Well, did it work? Was it a good movie? Did the rest of the movie feel right with this scene in it? Did you like the movie? Did it reach you on an emotional level or was it just schematic for a college paper?" That kind of HAL9000 approach to the movies is always kind of offputting to me. Which is why I don't go to that blog anymore and like you said, you gravitate to the blogs that experience movies the way you do.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Bill, I'm going to read that story dammit! I'll find it.

bill r. said...

Oh, dear. Well, I could just tell you where to find it, if you'd like, unless you crave the tension of the hunt.

Jason Bellamy said...

Well, then two other cool things about Google Reader:

1) You can subscribe to comments. They don’t populate quite as instantaneously as on the blog. But it keeps you from having to check back several times just to see the latest. Easy. FYI, with blogger-based blogs, it’s as simple as changing “posts” to comments. So I’m subscribed to Cinema Styles at:

http://cinemastyles.blogspot.com/
feeds/posts/default

and to the comments at:
http://cinemastyles.blogspot.com/
feeds/comments/default

Of course, you could probably do that with any reader.

2) But then there's this: Last week I added to my blog sidebar my shared items. In my mind, this way I'll be able to share the love a lot more consistently than via a blogroll. (Blogrolls are great, but overwhelming. After clicking on three duds, you don't want to go any farther. So I've tried to keep mine painfully short, but in the process I'm snubbing fellow bloggers. I'm aware of that.)

Meanwhile, if I stopped and created a post each time I read something entertaining on someone else's blog, then my blog becomes about their blogs, and what's the point? And sometimes I just don't have time. Or maybe by the time you post one of your great montages, it's been posted at "The House Next Door" and "Scanners" and elsewhere, and I'd feel stupid pretending that film buffs are going to my blog without going to those first by posting it myself. Still, the montage is great and deserves the love.

With this new sharing approach, now, say, readers will get a easy link over to Tractor Facts, for example, which I stop at (er, Reader at) every day. If there are other movie bloggers doing this, I haven't seen it. But click on over to my blog and take a look. Just an idea of the way we can better push people to the stuff worth reading.

The obvious downside of this: Um, well, if you go to someone's blog via RSS, you're not going to see the shared items column. (Of course, you could subscribe to someone else's shared items and see them that way.)

Anyway, just bouncing some ideas off some active bloggers.

For what it's worth: love what you do here.

Marilyn said...

Will somebody please ask Jonathan what The Invisible Edge is? I'm not speaking to him.

Fox said...

Jonathan-

Marilyn wants me to ask you what "The Invsible Edge" is.

Fox said...

Jonathan-

And I wanna piggy-back on Jason's comment of telling you "I love what you do here", by saying don't overthink it b/c you're already where you need to be.

For me, the blogs I like the best are the blogs that have a unique voice of some kind or another. It may not be apparent to the authors of those blogs, but it's the case.

Anyway. Like the advice you gave Bill one day, "just write!". I've noticed that the "academic" bloggers often get tiresome b/c they are so dedicated to one thing... not to mention some of their writing is academic, and, to be honest, I don't really look to blogs for that type of writing. Plus, sometimes it's just BAD. I won't mention names, but one time a guest blogger at The House Next Door did a DVD review of a Criterion release, and I swear I had to read the thing two and a half times to even understand what he/she was getting at. It's like they over-extend themselves to sound like Andre Bazin or something. Dude, keep it real!

And that's what Cinema Styles does... it keeps it real!

Pat said...

Pretty much like my day, except for the part where I go to Cinema Styles and find out there are already 22 comments on the day's post, and I go "Oh, crap! I'm way behind - why didn't I get here sooner? And why can't I think of anyting wittier or smarter or more insightful to add?"

And that's a great banner by the way - I do love me some "Face in the Crowd."

Marilyn said...

Hee hee.

I can make a joke here, but if anyone has been wondering why I've been a bit scarce lately, it has to do with just this kind of petty bickering on my condo board. We've got a couple of people who have served a long time and have formed a conspiracy of two to run everything. I challenged that by going out for bid for a new management company, something that hasn't been done in 7 years by these geniuses of business. You wouldn't believe the "if you don't do this, I'm not showing up" and "what am I being accused of" BS I've had to field. It has really worn me out. I feel like Madeline Kahn.

Marilyn said...

Hey Pat, I did the Meme!

bill r. said...

Fox - I love it when people keep it real. Keeping it real is my favorite thing that some people do.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Marilyn, I'm sorry I made you mad. It's all Fox's fault.

The Invisible Edge is my other blog where I take the thousands of old ads and articles I've collected from hundreds of old magazines and put them up, usually with stupid commentary. I just started it up again after a long absence from doing it so for now it's just been ads three times a week but soon I'll be putting up more articles, including one on fur from the fifties that I ran before that's just jaw-dropping in it's insensitivity to animals. And another one I just found this weekend on kid's diets. There's a line of advice in it that made me laugh out loud. Anyway, now you know.

And I bet you are tired... of being admired.

Jonathan Lapper said...

I forgot to add that the post I ran on bears at Yellowstone was picked up by Yellowstone's online newspaper which I found hilarious. I got all these hits from it and I just knew the people going there were scratching their heads afterwards. The headline was Yellowstone Would Be So Much Better if there was no Annoying Wildlife.

Marilyn said...

I'm tired of playing the game...

Jonathan Lapper said...

Thanks Jason! I like seeing the blog itself which NetVibes lets me do. You can see the actual blog in the reader so all the graphics are there which is important to me because of things like my banners. Someone coming to me in a reader is going to miss all those and I do hundreds a year.

And I'm always a little apprehensive about linking because like you I figure bigger blogs have already done it. But still I try to work it in when I can.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Let's face it I'm tired!

Adam Ross said...

I don't know how you can call yourself a cinephile if you can't come up with a film-related angle for an online jewelry store review. Maybe start it as a review of "The Earrings of Madame De..." and go from there.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Pretty much like my day, except for the part where I go to Cinema Styles and find out there are already 22 comments on the day's post, and I go "Oh, crap! I'm way behind - why didn't I get here sooner? And why can't I think of anyting wittier or smarter or more insightful to add?"

And then you realize it's just three of us commenting over and over.

I love Andy Griffith in that movie. A great performance that was cheated out of a nomination.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Adam you have shamed me. You know what would make me feel better? A nice set of pearls. But where to find them, and at a reasonable price. I'm glad you asked because have I got the place for you...

Jonathan Lapper said...

Fox - Normally, I'd say The House Next Door has some excellent writers and editors. For instance, Sheila posts there often and she's a great writer, approaching movies the way I like, from an emotional standpoint while not ignoring the technical aspects of it. But yes, with as many contributors as they have, and they have a lot, sometimes you get the "student thesis" review. It's inevitable I suppose. But every blog has its ups and downs and I definitely don't want Cinema Styles becoming a blog where other blogs get bad-mouthed, cause that's most definitely not my style. Not that you were doing that, I'm just saying I don't want to start calling anyone out. I've posted some real dreck here myself in the past (many old posts have been deliberately excised).

bill r. said...

I think we should shift this discussion over to The Kind of Face You Hate. That blog is sooo much better than this one.

Jonathan Lapper said...

I made you Bill R! Don't you ever forget that! With one touch of a button on my keyboard I can take it all away! All of it! They laughed when I told them my plan of controlling the blogosphere with a self-made contraption forged from a beagle, a lampshade and a horn of butter but who's laughing now?

Mwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

bill r. said...

Wait a minute...you made me out a beagle and a horn of butter?

Excuse me...I have to make a very important phone call.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Unsalted sweet cream butter no less.

bill r. said...

I've been living a lie.

So are you going to make me ask you if you found the story?

Jonathan Lapper said...

You can just tell me if you want. And in an e-mail if you don't want to post it in the comments.

Fox said...

Sheesh... easy bro. I wasn't bad mouthing The House Next Door, just some anonymous writer on there.

I think it's understood (or, it should be) that everyone and every blog has produced dreck.

bill r. said...

Mine hasn't.

Jonathan, here it is. It's a public forum, and if anyone here really wanted to find it, they could. Plus, my complaint has been that I do want feedback, after all.

Oh, and there are typos. They make me cringe. Sorry.

And remember that it's unfinished, although I do have far more completed than is posted here. AND it's kinda violent...

http://www.palimpsest.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3685

Robert said...

Nice to know even you established bloggers still get the feeling every once in a while.

I'm sure you can remember a not-too-long ago time when you were starting out, and each comment (which is once a month if you're me) brought chills of sheer joy.

Coming of age in the blogosphere is rough.

Robert said...

oh just wanted to also mention that I think you've done here what most bloggers wish they could do. few of us can dissect a movie shot for shot and get into all the techno-mumbo-jumbo. what we want to be able to do is discuss movies with our unique voice in an interesting way.

I think you've got that here.

bill r. said...

PS - You can e-mail me feedback, Jonathan. No need to clutter the comments here.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Fox - I knew you weren't, I just wanted to make it clear to anyone who might misread it that's all. I didn't someone reading it and commenting, "Yeah and you know who else really bugs me?" You know, something Bill might do.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Robert, you're way too generous but thank you all the same. Your stuff always got a better response on The Film Experience than mine and that's a pretty big blog so I'd say you're pretty established.

I do remember starting out and getting very few comments. Bill doesn't appreciate how good he's got it. If I had to start all over I'd do it the way Bill day. Comment a lot for several months so everyone knows who you are and then start a blog.

That Bill. He's some kind of genius.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Bill, work has intruded once again (and by the way that work stuff in the post was real - I have to frickin' fly out on Election Day to Atlanta for three days of trying to look awake while sleeping and making my doodles look like I'm actually writing something very important. I better get a pretty damn good per diem that's all I gotta say). Anyway, I shall read it tonight and ponder it before giving feedback. I expect from your writing online that it should be very good.

Don't disappoint me!

Fox said...

Understood...

... but you know what else bugs me about Bill?

Marilyn said...

I have never produced dreck on my blog. Never. (But then I'm a professional writer, and that would hurt like hell.) Which is why so few people comment. Bad posts always get people mocking them. I've done it myself, most recently on The House Next Door. Same writer, Fox, maybe? I even insulted the editor, just for good measure.

Fox said...

Does anyone else picture Marilyn hunkered down in a rainforest with war paint on her face, a Rambo bandana around her head, and just blogging away like a sniper in a banana tree???

... or is it just me?

bill r. said...

Jonathan, it's the best story that's ever been written, really, so I'm not sweating it. It's so good that you might not even want to read the rest, because you might not think you can take it.

Marilyn - I know the review you commented on. I don't know if Jonathan does, and I respect his wish to keep the slamming of other blogs off his site, but, really, something needed to be said about that one. That kind of thing can't be allowed to continue without comment.

Fox said...

I don't wanna prolong this out respect for Jonathan's wishes, so could you guys (either Bill or Marilyn) e-mail me what article/post you're referring too?

I couldn't find it. You've sparked my curiousity.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Marilyn, you are not to be trifled with. Or truffled. And so I shan't. Trifle or truffle that is.

bill r. said...

I just sent you the links, Fox.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Fox, they're referring to a post written by Rick Olson, that hack from Coosa Creek Mambo.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Bill, I imagine I will be floored beyond belief. My God(!) my expectations are high! Almost unrealistically high! The kind of extremely high expectation that can only result in disappointment. But I'm betting your story will beat the odds.

bill r. said...

There's really no chance that you will be anything less than thunderstruck by my genius. I'm actually kind of sorry, as ordinary life will seem like a weak photocopy of trash next to the vivid dreamscapes I'm able to conjure.

Enjoy!

Fox said...

God... what's up with Rick nowadays?

Ever since he got his 2000th comment he's changed. He used to be such a sweet generous blogger.

p.s. Thanks Bill.

Marilyn said...

Fox - YOu can find the third in a series of three posts about it here. My comments are in this post, but you'll have to go back to the second post to really understand what the fuss is about. I don't know if this was the one Bill was talking about (if he was talking about a real post - this may be part of his short story), but the main criticism from most people was that it was poorly written and edited. People are sticking up for the author's fresh new perspective, but that's beside the point. The blogger needs a remedial writing course.

BTW - She never addressed my comments. Figures. I can't even get comments on my comments outside my circle of buds right here. But I loves ya. Wanna play paintball war?

Fox said...

Are you guys talking about the story of how Lapper and Bill became BFF? I've been curious to hear how y'all came together.

p.s. I wonder if this talk is making Arbogast jealous. I think he thought that he was best friends with Lapper.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Fox - I am Arbogast. I'll be here shortly as Arbogast to comment on my own post.

And so you know, Bill and I made our acquaintance on Dennis' Sierra Leone and the Inseam Spy Tool a little over a year ago. What a ride it's been.

Marilyn - the other site flying around for my business trip was Chicago but it got nixed in favor of Atlanta because of the earlier dates. I was hoping for Chicago so you and hubby could take me out to dinner and a movie. And paintball. Maybe next time.

bill r. said...

That's the same one, Marilyn (although this would make a fascinating short story...well, okay, not it wouldn't). I didn't comment on it because I found it through Glenn Kenny's site, and by the time I got over there all the truly sayable things had already been said, and pretty well, to boot.

And none of the genuine criticisms were ever addressed by her or her defenders. The point went straight over their heads. Funny.

And Fox - I helped Jonathan dispose of a body once. That was a crazy night, I don't mind telling you. Anyway, BFFs ever since!

bill r. said...

Oh, and Marilyn - I would love to play paintball war.

Marilyn said...

Oh crap and double crap. Atlanta sucks, or so says the hubby, who lived there for 15 years. At least you'll be able to see the portrait of Lester Maddox now.

Can't I be someone's BFF?

Marilyn said...

Bill - You have exquisite taste. Will you be my BFF?

bill r. said...

Absolutely. Jonathan, take a powder. Marilyn and I are now BFFs until the end of time. And we'll paintball anyone who tries to tear us apart!

Marilyn said...

Yeh! Time to refill the pump guns. I'm using metallic this time. Try to wash THAT off!

Fox said...

Dude... Jonathan! Did you just see Marilyn pull out that Lester Maddox reference from a few months ago??? That's pretty sweet, man! That means she is a hardcore Cinema Styles devotee. If you're not crying yet, you should, b/c that is love!

Greg Maddox (Marilyn's favorite ex-Cub) used to be from Atlanta too!

Fox said...

Marilyn... are you trying to steal Jonathan's BFF right out from under his nose? That's pretty brave.

bill r. said...

Metallic paintballs? Wouldn't those just be bullets?

Fox said...

Hey Bill...

If Marilyn is your BFF then how come you still haven't fixed the link to her site on your site?!?!?

EWWWW!! SNAP! You just got PUNK'D!

Marilyin said...

Melted bullets.

Fox said...

What about Metallica paint balls?

When ever you get hit by one your shirt bears the logo of Ride The Lightning (incidentally, this is the album that was playing when Bill had his first kiss... awww!)

bill r. said...

Because we didn't become BFFs until just this moment! Give me some time!

And melted bullets fired from a gun are fine. I thought it was something dangerous.

Marilyn said...

Yes, and maybe I'll learn how to spell my name right. Fox, your film fest series is fab, btw.

bill r. said...

There. Link fixed.

Jonathan Lapper said...

I'm back from reading the whole damn thing on The House Next Door and Glen Kenny's posts. Geez, I've got to get around more. First of all, unlike all of you, I had never even been to Glen Kenny's blog until the Siren link. I'll have to start visiting it more. And second of all, now that I can see the whole story from afar let me agree with both of you on the substance and that Marilyn (who is my BFF Bill and don't forget it!) you are right about her not responding to you or any criticism of substance. She kept building up straw houses and tearing them down, never addressing the excellently worded critiques of you and the Siren. Oh well.

bill r. said...

Oh, but you didn't have time to read my story. I see how it is.

Good day. I SAID GOOD DAY!

Jonathan Lapper said...

I know you're joking but just to explain: Perusing a poorly worded post and then skimming the comments is quite different from devoting my full uninterrupted attention to your story. I hope you can appreciate that.

[mumbles under breath] worthless bastard

bill r. said...

Oh, well, in that case I suppose I can...hey, what did you just say?!? WHAT DID YOU SAY!?

Man, I'm angry today. Hopefully a nice dinner will calm me down.

Marilyn said...

Off to face the condo board. We who are about to die salute you! (WTF???)

Fox said...

Marilyn must be loving this fight between Jonathan and Bill over her! :o)

And thanks Marilyn, for the kind words on my posts. Wait... are you lobbying to be MY BFF?

MEANWHILE: Arbogast is shaking his head at us like we're a bunch of morons.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Everyone enjoy your dinner and condo board meeting. Myself, I'm going to eat a late breakfast and go to a "Save the Condor" meeting. First I have to call Max von Sydow and see if he agrees the Condor needs saving.

bill r. said...

I'm pretty sure he doesn't, although he might decide to let the Condor slide.

Side note: Why does a guy with such a relatively boring CIA desk job get a bad-ass codename like "Condor"? What's the codename for their top sniper? "Blueberry"?

Jonathan Lapper said...

Actually it's "Waffles."

bill r. said...

So is "Blueberry" their top demolitions man? "Waffles" and "Blueberry" should team up. They would be unstoppable.

Jonathan Lapper said...

They're stationed in Belgium most of the time.

Peter Nellhaus said...

Am I the only one who thought Andy Griffith should have gotten an Oscar nomination for Waitress?

Jonathan Lapper said...

I didn't see The Waitress but I don't doubt it for a second. I think Griffith is an excellent actor, too often overlooked because of his tv show (which he was also excellent in).

bill r. said...

Andy Griffith is always great. He was also terrific in Daddy and Them.

Am I remembering this wrong, or did Griffith never win an Emmy for his show? If I'm right, that's flat-out nuts.

Anyway, that show -- the black and white ones, before Don Knotts left -- has aged better than pretty much any other sitcom of its era. That and The Honeymooners, I suppose, though I'm a bit less familiar with that show.

bill r. said...

Oh, and I'd like to mention two other marvelous bits from Griffith's resume': No Time for Sergeants, and his stand-up comedy.

Jonathan Lapper said...

I agree. I've watched some of the reruns of that show and it has an amazing level of realism to it. I don't mean gritty, bare knuckles bloody realism, but a real sense of conversation among people and laughs to be had without punchlines. I'm glad you said that because I've thought that for a while, that that show, the B&W ones with Fife still there, was really excellent television. They had moral lessons for Opie sometimes sure but even then it felt real, not phony like Leave it to Beaver or Full House.

Fox said...

I'm with you, Peter. I also thought Keri Russell should have been nominated for Best Actress for the same movie.

I guess they got burned by the "comedy" category once again.

Fox said...

p.s. I also think Bill should be nominated for Best Commenter of 2008.

Jonathan Lapper said...

I should see this movie. Was the movie any good or just the acting?

ARBOGAST said...

MEANWHILE: Arbogast is shaking his head at us like we're a bunch of morons.

More like he's nursing a bruised ego because he kept reading the original post waiting for his name to pop up and getting more and more excited at the prospect of being the last link, the biggest in-joke... only to not be name-checked at all.

Wow. I thought I knew how much that hurt before I started to write this.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Interestingly enough Arbo, I did name-check you, only to remove it, so it's funny you should bring that up. While writing the post I had your name and link here:

Then I flip the page to another blogger and he's got a funny post up.

Originally it was:

Then I flip the page to Arbogast and he's got a funny post up.

It's funny because I started second-guessing myself as I was writing a post about second-guessing myself. I started getting all nervous that that might offend you and there would be this whole Joe Pesci/Ray Liotta "are you saying I'm a clown" vibe going on so I changed it to "another blogger" at the last minute.

Oh this crazy mixed up world we live in.

bill r. said...

100 posts, everybody! We did it!

*noisemakers confetti champagne*

Jonathan Lapper said...

Thanks Bill, I couldn't have done it without you. I could've, but it would've looked odd, me commenting 100 times on my own post and responding only to myself.

Larry Aydlette said...

...

Jonathan Lapper said...

I consider that ellipses to be a response. Thank you.

Peter Nellhaus said...

Jonathan: it may may a little difficult to give Waitress a balanced evaluation due to what happened to Adrienne Shelley. Still, I would recommend it.

Marilyn said...

Jonathan, it seems like your post was entirely you talking to you. What difference would it have made it you made 100 comments to yourself.

Fox said...

Wow! Good morning with a cup o' coffee and a bitch slap from Marilyn!

I know I sound like Peter's parrot, again, but he's right about the strangeness in watching Waitress after knowing what happened to Adrianne Shelley.

And besides the performances of Russell and Griffith, Shelley is great too. I would've loved to have seen her direct another film. I know Waitress did really well at the box office, but I felt the critical reception was a little unfairly underwhelming. I think it's a quality comedy.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Peter, I don't see how that would affect it unless there's a violent subplot that might make me think of her murder. Outside of that I don't think it will affect my viewing.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Every post is about the writer, even if not directly so. But the comments, well that's supposed to be for people to tell the writer what they think of him and I can't very well list a hundred things I think of myself. I had sex in the park with a homeless woman. That's why I'm so thankful for all of you and you're plentiful comments. It's like a big warm hug, all cozy and cuddly. I pleasure strange women with heat lamps. And Fox thanks as always for doing your best to point out things that I might otherwise have missed. You're one in a million my friend!

bill r. said...

Who's making breakfast? I want an omelette.

I guess I'll need to see Waitress. I was never familiar with Shelly's work, so, while her death was obviously tragic and horrible, I wasn't especially drawn to this because of her name. But with all the praise being thrown at it around here, maybe I'll go ahead.

Marilyn said...

I don't have dead-celebrity syndrome. I haven't seen The Dark Knight or Waitress because, well, just didn't get around to it. I did see Trust, in which Shelly stars, because it was on cable. She was a great actress, though the movie really sucked.

Jonathan Lapper said...

And I haven't seen Dark Knight and Waitress because I'm painfully slow at seeing new releases except at Oscar time. Otherwise, it's older stuff because I think to myself, "If I still haven't seen such and such film from 1948 then anything new can wait a bit." Thus, people being told of my love for and knowledge of movies are often left with the impression that I haven't seen anything because every movie they ask me about is a recent release and my answer is always, "I haven't seen that yet..."

Jonathan Lapper said...

Bill, I think Fox is going to whip us up something nice and special in the kitchen. Do I smell blueberry crêpes?

Marilyn said...

100 things about Jonathan Lapper:

1. That's not his real name.
2. He lives in DC.
3. He works for the government.
4. He blogs more than he works at work.
5. He makes kickass banners.
6. He makes kickass original movies.
7. He thinks he’s my BFF.
8. He likes to make fun of Rick Olson.
9. He’s got a strange thing with Arbogast.
10. He misses Brian.
11. He tolerates Fox.
12. He loves Sheila.
13. He’s going to Atlanta.
14. He’s going to try to see a portrait of Lester Maddox in Atlanta.
15. His wife is an artist.
16. He’s divorced and remarried.
17. He needs to get out of debt.
18. He has kids.
19. He’s joining the PTA to help pay my salary.
20. He’s obsessed with the Manhattan Project.
21. He can write well.
22. He doesn’t have a VCR.
23. He an ingrate who turned down my offer of a free VCR.
24. He has a lot of old magazines.
25. His home is a firetrap.
26. He has another blog.
27. He had other blogs that he deleted.
28. He wants to be a filmmaker.
29. He reminds me of another film guy I used to post with (artist wife, works for the government, makes stupid jokes, etc.).
30. He thinks Jonathan Lapper is a real person.
31. He needs to go back on his meds.

OK, I got you started. Finish it.

bill r. said...

32. He's jealous of Bill.

ARBOGAST said...

33. He has tattoos, although not one that reads "Never cross Arbogast."

Jonathan Lapper said...

makes stupid jokes?!??

My jokes are of the highest caliber thank you very much!

And I don't work for the government so there!

He’s got a strange thing with Arbogast.

I am Arbogast! How many times do I have to tell you people that?

I have two tattoos, designed by moi years ago. They're adequate but now I'd make them much more elaborate, and movie related. I was young, what can I say?

He's jealous of Bill.

Hahahahaha!!! Puh-leeeeze!

And I'm still waiting for, "He's shockingly handsome."

bill r. said...

34. He eats so much turkey that by the time Thanksgiving rolls around, he's honestly kind of burned out on it.

Fox said...

34. He is a modest philanthropist
35. He performs abortions

Fox said...

oops, change mine to 35. and 36.

and...

37. He's had a crush on Mary Louise Parker ever since Fried Green Tomatoes.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Some more, and yes, all true

38. Saw a violent death before my eyes - very violent.

39. Live in a home where a girl lived who was murdered by a serial killer, two doors down. Read the story of her disappearance and murder online and was creeped out by the desriptions of my house.

40. Robert Prosky saw me in a performance years ago in college and told his son, who was friends with one of the cast members, that "that guy was perfect. Best thing in the play."

bill r. said...

41. He hates long movies from the 1930s. The longer they are, and the more they are from the 1930s, the more he hates them.

42. He's a real piece of work, that guy.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Never saw Fried Green Tomatoes. Feel like I dodged a bullet.

bill r. said...

And I've seen, right before my eyes, a terrible car accident that should have, but did not, result in a fatality, and the very nearly fatal drowning of a young girl. Both of these people are, to my knowledge, fine now. Both happened within the last year.

Jonathan Lapper said...

43. Used to take jokes too far in person. Have had more than one person tell me to "fuck off" and refuse to accept my apology afterwards. In college, one guy actually quit his job rather than continue to work with me after I took a series of jokes too far. And during a play, an assistant director refused to speak directly to me during the entire run because I had offended her on day one.

I have since matured considerably and have not had a problem along these lines in years. Whew.

bill r. said...

Fuck off.

Fox said...

"I have since matured considerably and have not had a problem along these lines in years. Whew."

HA!

44. He's delusional

45. He keeps a journal in his back pocket of all of his favorite Fox comments. He uses them for inspiration when he's feeling blocked. He kind of considers Fox a modern day Mark Twain.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Bill, my violent death witnessing was a car accident. I was in high school driving home with my friend Abbie. We were on a frontage road next to the highway. The car in front of us pulled out onto the highway directly in front of a speeding car. I'll never know why. The speeding car hit with full force flying right at me and Abbie. I was quickly shifting into reverse to avoid being smashed when I watched the woman driving the car come halfway out of the window and then the car (flying through the air) came down on the driver's side smashing her body against the pavement. It was now in a tumbling roll and as it turned back over it flung her crushed lifeless body a good forty feet into the air. The car tumbled onto the grass and her body came crashing down on the road directly in front of my car. It was horrifying. Really. Abbie and I were drained of all color. Cops and ambulances appeared almost immediately and Abbie and I pulled into a parking lot and just sat still for a few minutes until we could gather ourselves. I can still see it vividly all these years later.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Mark Twain? And you're saying I'm delusional?

Marilyn said...

46. He has a friend named Abby.

47. He has been in a traumatic car accident that has forced him to withdraw into the imaginary world of movies and the Internet.

48. He has imaginary friends named Fox, Arbogast, Marilyn, Bill R., Rick Olson, Sheila, Nathaniel R., Pat, Jason Bellamy.

49. He has too many imaginary friends with initial R in their imaginary names.

Fox said...

Jesus, Jonathan... First of all, I'm sorry you had to witness that. Just reading it made me feel somber.

Second of all, I feel kind of stupid for joking around on here right now.

bill r. said...

That is horrible, Jonathan. And I THOUGHT that's what I was witnessing when I saw my accident, but fortunately it wasn't.

In our case, my wife and I were coming home from visiting my family, and I had to use the restroom. My wife was pulling into an exit, to find a restaurant I could duck into. She was looking intently into the rear-view mirror, and I asked her what was up. She told me some guy was coming up on us very fast. A few seconds later, a car going, no joke, about 100 mph, shot past us. This is at an exit turn-off, remember, so he hit the curve after having slowed down about, oh, say 10 mph. He went through the guard-rail like it was spaghetti, and we saw the car hit a tree on the other side and flip into the air and land on its roof. I saw what I initially thought were bodies flying from the wreck.

We pulled over, along with about half a dozen other cars, and we see the drive scrambling out of the wreck. His eyes were enormous, and his shirt was torn, but apart from a few cuts he was okay. The "bodies" I'd seen turned out to be clothes, which had been packed in the trunk. He was the only person in the car.

The other people who'd pulled over had the situation well in hand, so my wife and I left. Since then, we've wondered about it. Why was he going so fast? Was he high? He'd packed a lot of clothes, so was he running from somebody? It wasn't the cops, because if that had been the case they would have pulled up seconds later. So if he was running from someone, who was it?

Anyway...

bill r. said...

50. And once he sawr a blimp!

Jonathan Lapper said...

Maybe there's someone like that kid in the series finale of St. Elsewhere, and all of this exists in his mind.

Or maybe not.

Fox, don't worry, Marilyn's already referencing it in a joke. I bet she's had some of those "taking a joke too far" problems herself. And something tells me you too. And Arbogast. And Bill. I think there's a personality pattern emerging here. No wonder we comment with each other on our blogs. No one else would have us.

Jonathan Lapper said...

That's incredible that that guy walked away from that accident. Amazing!

Fox said...

Oh yes. Very much yes. I think the words "you went too far" or "you're taking it too far" have come from my wife's lips and across my ears about 200 times since we've been married.

I just get excited sometimes, and I have a addiction for getting off on shock humor... especially in public. Thing is, the others in public sometimes don't know I'm joking, which is funny to me, but crushingly embarassing to her.

Yes, we are like The Breakfast Club here in the comment section of Cinema Styles.

bill r. said...

Yes, it doesn't seem to make much sense, does it? 100 mph may be an exaggeration, I don't know. All I know is he blew past everybody, and when it hit the tree that car flipped. I thought, when we pulled up, there was going to be at least one dead body, if not more.

ARBOGAST said...

51. He has a superfluous nipple. Not his own.

I deeply offended a friend with what I thought was an in-joke on my blog.

I've seen two tiny human beings fall out of my wife's vagina.

Actually, I once saw a car jump the curb at 96th Street and Park Avenue and crush an old woman against the front of a Gristede's supermarket. But I actually don't think she died. The thing I remember about that incident is that one woman reacted hysterically to the (admittedly horrific) sight by screaming and when her young daughter asked "Did someone just die?" the woman said, emphatically, Yes!. I mean, I might have tried to comfort (even to the point of lying) my child about what we'd just seen... and as I said, I remember that the woman didn't in fact die.

52. He spends way too much time on the Internets.

Jonathan Lapper said...

I've seen two tiny human beings fall out of my wife's vagina.

Were they happy to leave or clamoring to get back in? Were they there by choice? Were you responsible for shrinking them? Did they form a county council and divide up the vagina into villages, towns and municipalities? If so, was one section of your wife's vagina more affluent than other sections? Did this cause unrest amongst the citizens of Vagina Town?

Marilyn said...

I've seen and experienced too many traumas to take it all too seriously these days. Shit happens! Sometimes serious shit happens.

I saw a teen covered awkwardly by a blanket - he'd been hit by a car and killed while he was riding his bike. On Sheridan Road in Chicago, which runs in front of my university, so many pedestrians have been hit and killed, they had to change the timing of the copious number of street lights. One lady was knocked clear out of her shoes.

The hubby was shot in the belly and we had to live with his many health complaints for 9 years until he finally had corrective surgery. I had to put diapers on my mother and clean her up, and she wasn't out of it so it was a real humiliation for her. My cousin committed suicide.

Oh, and a young woman who killed three men who were in a popular band by ramming their car at 120 mph at an intersection I and the hubby frequently drive through is being released after 3 years in prison this week.

bill r. said...

Jonathan, I find your blog very depressing.

Fox said...

Jonathan, I find your blog very depressing.

No sh*t.

Can we get back to Tron?... or, we can keep up the vagina talk. I like vaginas.

Marilyn said...

You wouldn't love them so much if you ever had a yeast infection. Yeeesh!

Jonathan Lapper said...

We've all encountered traumas I suppose. The lives of my friends and family has had its share of suicides, rapes and murder. But the car accident stood out because it not only happen right in front of my face but damn near killed me too as I raced in reverse. So a suicide of a friend years ago was more personally traumatic, admittedly so, but it is not horrifying in nearly the same way as the car accident unless the suicide were to take place right in front of me.

And Fox and Bill, how long has it been since a movie blog was truly depressing? Come on, cherish these times!

Jonathan Lapper said...

I once ate moldy bread. Is that the same thing?

bill r. said...

The same things as...what? Oh, Marilyn's comment? Yes, it's exactly the same.

Fox said...

Remember when Dave Matthews had a yeast infection in his throat and had to cancel some concerts? That was affirming for me b/c I always told people he sang like a pussy!

11. He tolerates Fox.

Thank you, Jonathan.

Marilyn said...

Imagine someone ramming a knitting needle with little barbs on it up a certain part of your anatomy and moving it like a toothbrush. Is that how it felt to eat moldy bread?

Yes, I understand that almost died thing. That happened to me, and I swear on a copy of My Last Sigh, I had an out-of-body experience.

bill r. said...

Jonathan, your blog is gross.

Marilyn said...

And depressing.

And he has such a NICE post. He described an average day in my life with it.

Fox said...

Imagine someone ramming a knitting needle with little barbs on it up a certain part of your anatomy and moving it like a toothbrush.

OMG... I can't wait for my BFF Arbo to make a retort on that one!

Jonathan Lapper said...

Imagine someone ramming a knitting needle with little barbs on it up a certain part of your anatomy and moving it like a toothbrush. Is that how it felt to eat moldy bread?

Yes. Exactly.

Okay, no.

P.S. - I'm going to print this comment thread out and read it to my grandkids years from now. And I'm going to put it in book form to hand out at that far away bloggers reunion in the distant future when we've all lost all of our teeth. I'm pretty sure Marilyn's description of a yeast infection will be one of the highlights.

Peter Nellhaus said...

Speaking of yeast, don't forget that Jewish New Year is just around the corner. Time for matzohs and kosher wine!

bill r. said...

You know what I'm pretty sure will be one of the highlights? Your stupid face!!!

Whoa...where did that come from?

ARBOGAST said...

I won't make light of gynecological problems. Page Bill Engvall or somebody.

Marilyn said...

L'Shana Tova, y'all.

bill r. said...

Anybody here ever been to a Seder? If any of you are Jewish, I imagine you have. Anyway, I'm not Jewish, but I want to go to a Seder. They sound very interesting. Plus, if the right person's in the kitchen, I bet the food is good.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Thanks Marilyn and Peter, now I'm hungry.

What did the loaf of bread say to the yeast?

You really know how to get a rise out of me.

bada bing!

Marilyn said...

The Seder is my favorite Jewish ritual, but it happens at Passover. That's what Jesus was participating in, better known as The Last Supper. I hear he was very upset that he couldn't find the afikomen

Jonathan Lapper said...

I've never been to Passover seder myself. But it's one of the creepiest scenes in The Ten Commandments, I know that much. That's the only point where it suddenly feels like a horror movie.

bill r. said...

I know that, Marilyn! All's I said was I wanted to go to one, not that I didn't know what it was!

Jeez!

Jonathan Lapper said...

I hear he was very upset that he couldn't find the afikomen

I bet he felt forsaken.

bill r. said...

Hey, Jonathan, you changed your comment! I had a reply all ready to go, but now it wouldn't make any sense. Thanks a lot. Fuck off!

bill r. said...

Okay, what the hell is going on here? It just changed back.

Marilyn said...

Hey, Peter mentions the New Year and you mention a Seder. Whose context was unclear, genius? Not mine!

bill r. said...

Okay, I think I see what happened now. The comments were showing up funny, but now I get it. So should I make the comment I was originally going to make? It's probably been built up to much now, hasn't it? Oh, to heck with it.

bill r. said...

I thought we were just talking about Jewish holidays. Isn't that what Jonathan's original post was about? Jewish holidays and traditions?

Fox said...

What did the loaf of bread say to the yeast?

You really know how to get a rise out of me.


OMG JLap, that's like the gayest joke ev-er. What r u, like 60 yrs old or smthng?

Fox said...

Bill, will you please leave internal monologues off of the comments? I know we are trying to reach 200, but that's kind of cheap way to get there.

Thanks,
Fox.

bill r. said...

You're a cheap way to get there!

Man, I am on fire today.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Q: What did one sesame seed say to the other?

A: Don't stop me now, I'm on a roll.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Hey, Jonathan, you changed your comment! I had a reply all ready to go, but now it wouldn't make any sense. Thanks a lot. Fuck off!

Okay, what the hell is going on here? It just changed back.

Okay, I think I see what happened now. The comments were showing up funny, but now I get it.

Let's go easy on the mescaline there okay?

bill r. said...

I admit it, I panicked. But that was one sweet comment you guys will now never get to read.

Jonathan Lapper said...

What are you even talking about? What changed comment occurred? Did I delete a comment of mine? I can't even remember now.

Fox said...

Q: What did one sesame seed say to the other?

A: Don't stop me now, I'm on a roll.


(SIGH)

Jonathan Lapper said...

I didn't get the picture. Sorry. Maybe I'm too addled at this point.

bill r. said...

Okay, I was reading the comments eariler today, and this one appeared as the last one:

I bet he felt forsaken.

I guess I must have left the comments for a second, in order to mentally compose my ingenious comment, and when I went back this was the final comment:

I've never been to Passover seder myself. But it's one of the creepiest scenes in The Ten Commandments, I know that much. That's the only point where it suddenly feels like a horror movie.

Which invalidated my comment, and clearly drove me off the deep end. I thought you were worrying about offending someone with your previous comment, and used some sort of special blogger power I myself do not possess to edit it. Anyway, after I vented my rage, I saw that the order of comments had corrected itself.

The End.
By Bill

Fox said...

I was supposed to be me rolling my eyes. I guess I drew it too quickly. My bad.

What does addled mean? Don't answer that.

What am I doing? I wonder if I should post this or not.... I wonder if Jonathan really meant what he said when he invited me to come stay with him this Christmas... I wonder...

BILL!!!?? GET OFF MY GODDAMN! COMPUTER!

OH MY GOD! Bill is like 7 feet tall y'all! Holllllllllly SH*T!

Bill... BILL!.... stop crying man... hey, come back here...

bill r. said...

I see. Maybe we should just let this thread die. It's clearly starting to poke itself into some people's brains and wiggle around.

Jonathan Lapper said...

I think this comment thread is finally, officially dying, if not already dead. The last two comments have completely confused me. Bill says the "forsaken" comment disappeared then reappeared and Fox clearly just had some sort of aneurysm. Let's go bug Arbogast.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Time of death: 4:41 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

R.I.P. comment thread. You were one of the best.

Kimberly said...

I check my e-mail and find I have received 37 new e-mails concerning film festivals, free screeners, blog contests, pleas to review short subjects and other independent films and of course, that e-mail from the online jewelers who wanted me to do a review of their jewelry website on Cinema Styles.

Damn! How did you hack into my email account?

Seriously though, I have like 300 unread emails in my inbox at the moment. I'm so effin tired of all these festivals, indy filmmakers, etc. contacting me when they clearly just took me email from some list and have never bothered to read my blog. And why would I post about a damn festival I won't be attending that is taking place in another state unless I REALLY have something to say about it.

Excuse me why I rant in your blog but AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On a side note, don't think so much about blogging Jonathan. You're starting to sound like one of those navel-gazing critics that get on my nerves. Unless you're getting paid, this should all be fun and just a hobby like any other. Can you imagine if cooking bloggers and gardening bloggers were as self-conscious as movie bloggers? Okay, maybe they are but they shouldn't be.

This is not to say that I don't second-guess myself all the time as well. When I put up a light piece like my recent Yokai post, I asked myself what the heck was the point? And answered myself with WHO GIVES A DAMN! If other bloggers are talking about how crappy I write behind my back or how devoid of content my writing often is and how limited my vocabulary is, I DON'T CARE! They're not paying me to read my posts and they're obviously assholes so why should I care about what they think? But seriously, I highly doubt that ANYONE is thinking negative stuff about you and your blog except you of course.

I come here a lot because not only do I enjoy your blog but I like your sense of humor (you're one of only a handful of bloggers that I'd actually like to have a drink with frankly) and I've learned things about older films here (I finally watched The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp over the summer thanks to your encouragement and I'm so thankful for that since I loved the movie). Plus I like the fact that you often discuss topics that very few bloggers would dare to touch such as movies about the atomic bomb or pointing out why Birth of a Nation should be looked at with a critical eye. Those moments are when you really shine as a writer in my humble opinion. I know it's not easy to discuss political or social issues when writing about a film. It takes backbone, which you have and many other bloggers don't.

Anyway, enough cheerleading. Keep on trukin but don't look in your rearview mirror too much.

bill r. said...

Poor thread. Look at it! It looks just like a little angel!

bill r. said...

Holy shit, and now Kimberly brings us back on topic???

Somehow, that's the strangest thing that's happened so far.

Jonathan Lapper said...

This thread is alive again, it's ALIVE!!! Thanks Kimberly, it was getting pretty hairy there for the last, oh, say, 67 comments.

If other bloggers are talking about how crappy I write behind my back or how devoid of content my writing often is and how limited my vocabulary is

Who the hell would say that about you and screw 'em if they did! But this was more of a humor piece for me than a reality, kind of a paranoid take on navel-gazing. Thanks to you and bloggers like Arbogast I stopped worrying a long time ago about what I post. The two of you taught me a lot about blogging about what you want.

And I'm so glad you loved The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp! The acting alone in that movie is extraordinary!

And thanks for all the kind words. You're far too kind.

By the way, I used to reply to the e-mails explaining I didn't really review short subjects or promote festivals, etc but then I just stopped because the e-mails became too abundant. Although I was tempted to respond to the jewelry store one in a very sardonic acidic way... but I refrained.

ARBOGAST said...

Jesus, the e-mails. If I never hear the phrase Amateur Porn Star Assassin again it'll be too soon.

ARBOGAST said...

Sorry, make that Amateur Porn Star Killer. Ah, already senile dementia is doing its job.

Jonathan Lapper said...

I don't get the Amateur Porn Star Killer e-mails but I'd trade those for the jewelry store e-mail anytime.

I did get a series of e-mails a few months back from some freak who wrote the strangest "articles" about b-movies you've ever read on his website. I read some of them and he kept e-mailing me asking if I want some free b-movies he had and he'd send them to me. It really started to get weird (I kept ignoring the e-mails) and then, without warning, it stopped. My first blog stalker. In a way, I felt I had arrived.

ARBOGAST said...

Someone offered me money to link their business to my site. It wasn't a lot of money, though. I mean, if I'm going to sell out, I want to do it in style.

Peter Nellhaus said...

Speaking of threads that keep on going, my review of a couple of Louis Heyward pirate movies from last Memorial Day has continued to exist as a message board between a bunch of his remaining hardcore fans. Nothing that I've every written has generated so much discussion.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Yeah, if someone said they'd get me out of the ten mile deep financial hole I'm in I'd link the site, no problem. But we're talking a big fucking hole.

Jonathan Lapper said...

I got to be honest. If someone said to me, "Come up with a topic that will stay alive on a message board for over a year" Louis Heyward pirate movies would be far down the list. Nothing against Heyward you understand. I just wouldn't expect it.

Peter Nellhaus said...

Well I'm going to have to keep my watching of any future Louis Hayward movies a secret.

ARBOGAST said...

Have you ever seen Terror in the Wax Museum?

Brian Doan said...

Kimberly, who on EARTH would mock your blog? It's stylish, cool, wonderfully written, and best of all-- surprising. I never know what I'm going to see when I click on the link to your place. I don't always know about the films you are discussing. But that's precisely why I love it-- you have this fantastic taste and wonderful voice that makes you unique in the blogosphere, and I always learn a lot when I go to your site.

Really, the only thing I can complain about is that you always make me add things to my Netflix queue! (:

Brian Doan said...

And Jonathan-- great post. I haven't read all the comments, because I logged on when there were 194 of them (a bit daunting for me), but the TRON references are hilarious and wonderfully timed. And the message is very timely-- I was just pondering these questions about my own blogging when I read your post, and I had to laugh.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Peter, shhhh, don't tell anybody.

HEY ANYBODY AT A FORUM, PETER'S WATCHING LOUIS HAYWARD MOVIES!

Oh, sorry.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Arbo - Mystery in the Wax Museum yes. House of Wax (the Vincent Price version), yes. Terror in the Wax Museum, no. But now that I know Louis Hayward had a small role I'm on it.

Jonathan Lapper said...

Brian - Finally! Geez where the hell were you. See I was right, you don't like Cinema Styles anymore, you only came here because I linked you. Some friend. Oh, I'm just kidding.

A couple of things. One, if you're going to read the comments just read the first 50 or so where the topic of the post continues. After that it's entertaining as hell, just not on topic. Then amazingly, Kimberly brings us back on topic at around comment 188. And speaking of that, I don't think Kimberly is saying that people are actively writing badly about her but we've all gotten comments or e-mails that were just plain rude and insensitive. Look at the early bloggers who criticized The Dark Knight. Their writing and intelligence was rudely called into question because they didn't like it.

And two, as I said with Kimberly I don't really get that concerned with what I post, but yeah, occassionally I do. It's only human I suppose.

And one last thing. Somewhere in this comment thread Larry left a comment that was nothing but an ellipses. One day I'll get a response out of him dammit!

Jonathan Lapper said...

And now I'm going to post something new since we finally made it to 200. Kind of like the movie, only a third less filling.

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